Can Someone Find Me a New Political Party to Join?

[Boris Godunov]

Imran, you are soooooo on your way to being a Democrat. I see it in the cards....bwahahahahaha

[Imran Siddiqui]

Only in your dreams, my homosexual friend .

I don't think the Democrats would like me anyway. I'd always start yelling for tax cuts and the death penalty and they'd kick me out .

[Boris Godunov]

Always bringing up the gay thing, aren't ya? You heteros are so obsessed!

The Democrats are beginning to embrace those very things. Certainly, only a small minority of elected Democrats are anti-death penalty. They're moving rightward, but are avoiding the isolationism permeating the GOP.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well, I doubt they'd like the whole legalize drugs thing (the only Libertarians that have joined a BIG 2 party joined the Republicans). And I HATE big government, and teachers' unions .

I'd start talking about vouchers or charter schools and they'd really kick my ass out .

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Mikhail
as for switching parties, there is only one party over there I agree completely with:

http://www.sp-usa.org/

Eugene Victor Debs is probably my favorite American of all time. If we had had people like him over here, we would be much better off.

I don't really see a point in the Communist Party anymore (the Communist and Socialist USA parties split in 1919, correct?). The Socialist Party is bigger, and the parties agree on everything, and act together all the time. Lenin's international call is over, them, and the SLP, need to fuse.

"For Jobs, Peace, and Freedom: Vote Socialist"

That's my party. Yeah, their were two splits in 1919. The right-wing leadership of the SP refused to recognize the election that swept the left-wing to power in the party. The foreign leagues split first forming a communist party, and the native left around John Reed tried to take control during the convention and failed. They then split and formed their own communist party. The two later merged under orders from the International.

Contrary to your assertion, the Communist Party is still bigger than we are. They just don't make a lota noise. They are the most conservative wing of the left, which won't do anything which will upset the Union leadership. In practicle terms this means that they've strangled the Labor Party in its crib to prevent it from doing to the Dem's what the Gren Party is trying to do.

The next largest leftist party after them are the Democratic Socialists of America, who have moved slightly left in the 90s, after seeing what the Democratic Party would do once in control, nothing.

Hey Stefu, you'll notice I didn't recommend my party to Imran either.

[Boris Godunov]

I didn't recommend mine either. But I don't have one.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Only in your dreams, my homosexual friend .

I don't think the Democrats would like me anyway. I'd always start yelling for tax cuts and the death penalty and they'd kick me out .

Democrats arent against cutting taxes - just we want to start at the opposite end of the spectrum from the GOP, thats all. How about cutting the social security tax, rather than the estate tax, and how about eliminating income tax on the people in the lowest brackets, rather than across the board cuts that give most to the rich?

LOTM

[chequita guevara]

Cut the social security tax? Are you mad!?! Or do you mean taxes on SS recipients?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


That's my party. Yeah, their were two splits in 1919. The right-wing leadership of the SP refused to recognize the election that swept the left-wing to power in the party. The foreign leagues split first forming a communist party, and the native left around John Reed tried to take control during the convention and failed. They then split and formed their own communist party. The two later merged under orders from the International.

Contrary to your assertion, the Communist Party is still bigger than we are. They just don't make a lota noise. They are the most conservative wing of the left, which won't do anything which will upset the Union leadership. In practicle terms this means that they've strangled the Labor Party in its crib to prevent it from doing to the Dem's what the Gren Party is trying to do.

The next largest leftist party after them are the Democratic Socialists of America, who have moved slightly left in the 90s, after seeing what the Democratic Party would do once in control, nothing.

Hey Stefu, you'll notice I didn't recommend my party to Imran either.

IIUC the DSOC are themselves the result of a split from the 1950's post Thomas Socialist party(not sure its relation to your SP-USA) which was taken over by "right wing" elements, who are now SD-USA, the social democrats, very close to the AFL-CIO. BTW DSOC still does not consider itself a party,and still operates withing the Democratic party (though unhappy with Clintonism) as does SDUSA.

For those who care, my own politics lie somewhere between SDUSA and Gore/Clinton New Democrats (DLC/PPI) DLC wont take issues of social class and economic justice as seriously as I would like, and SDUSA is too protectionist (needless to say this puts me to the right of Greens and proposed Labor party). So naturally Im sticking with the Dems, hoping New dems follow Gore's late 2000 lead toward populism.

LOTM

[Rex Little]

Why would it be "mad" to cut the Social Security tax, che? At the federal level, it's the most regressive tax there is.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Cut the social security tax? Are you mad!?! Or do you mean taxes on SS recipients?

Cut the social security taxes paid by workers, the largest and most regressive tax we have. Stop subsidizing the general budget with SS surpluses. If necessary fund any SS deficit out of the general budget -repeal Bush tax cut as needed.

Im sorry che, is that too radical for you? You did realize Im a lefty, didnt you??

LOTM

Social Democratic Party of Apolyton

[chequita guevara]

SDUSA (sedusa ), for all intents and purposes, no longer exists. They are even more geriatric than the Communists. Sweeny's victory in the early 90s marked a shift in the "party" leading the AFL-CIO from SDUSA to DSA. It's a shift in the correct direction, more activist, less willing to play patsy to the government's anti-communism.

[chequita guevara]

Social Security is going to start paying out more than it takes in in approxamately 15 years. SSN is the single most successful government anti-poverty program ever. Rather than cut the tax on lower income workers, it needs to have its $65K cap removed and should be taxed progressively, while distributed evenly.

It would have been nice if the Feds had put SS reciepts into some kind of savings account, but they didn't. It's still not too late to do so, and start repaying the recipts that have already been looted.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Democrats arent against cutting taxes - just we want to start at the opposite end of the spectrum from the GOP, thats all. How about cutting the social security tax, rather than the estate tax, and how about eliminating income tax on the people in the lowest brackets, rather than across the board cuts that give most to the rich?

I'd want both, cutting estate and SS tax. And BOTH, eliminating income tax on people in the lowest bracket and across the board cuts.

See why the Dems wouldn't like me?

They'd hate me for so vigerously supporting the Bush tax cut .

[Ramo]

BTW, I'm looking for a Political party to join. Does any have any ideas based on my posts?

www.cpusa.org