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  • #61
    Why not, I vote based on deeds, not words. Saying and doing are two different things. Saying the words are what BOTH Dems. and Reps. are best at.
    Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
      This whole crap by Bush in the MidEast
      What was it about his desire to declare a provisional Palestinian State that raised your ire?

      BTW, I'm looking for a Political party to join. Does any have any ideas based on my posts?
      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Vesayen
        Just like me =).
        Welcome to the fold Vesayen, always glad to find more libertarians, even if small l.

        We'll reserve a spot for you in the Montana cult ranch.
        Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012

        When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah

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        • #64
          btw Imran, I'm curious why you have such a support for foreign aid. How do you feel about domestic issues such as medicare, welfare and social security? Do you feel it is right for the government to tax one person to death and hand the money over to someone else?

          If not, then what does it matter if the recipient is American or not?
          Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012

          When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah

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          • #65
            There aren't any good parties. There's no use in voting from the inside... start your own and become politically active. Run in local elections, and claw your way to the top!
            To us, it is the BEAST.

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            • #66
              Oh god, first I start turing into Snapcase when Imran starts turning into me You've just got to tack on gradualist onto your qualifiers and your journey will be complete
              Stop Quoting Ben

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              • #67
                You know Albert, I don't think you have helped anything. Imran has such a low view of you that if anything you telling him not to leave made leaving sound that much more attractive. The GOP doesn't need you as it's representative or recruiter.
                "I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer

                "I imagine the neighbors on your right are estatic." - Slowwhand

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                • #68
                  Imran, the thing about the Greens is, there's two of 'em. And what most people think about the Greens are really the socialist Greens. The main Green party is rather more moderate, though they are the one's that run Nader.
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #69
                    If it's any consolation Imran, I stopped paying dues to the GW Campus Republican after they were trounced in several debates with the campus Dems. Most of them turned out to be Reaganoids...
                    If you look around and think everyone else is an *******, you're the *******.

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                    • #70
                      See what college does to people? Turns them liberal...

                      Stop being silly AS. By modern standards of liberal, I'm quite a bit less liberal since I started college.

                      Anyway, Imran, I think I voted Libtertarian for about 33% of the positions last election (like that stupid Senate race between Corzine and the Republican! Didn't like either one...), but I'm sticking it out in the Dems to influence their primaries. I don't think there's a Peterist party out there, and although that with the curren state of the Dems I'm probably actually closer to the Libs than the Dems, Rex Little is kind of right. It's not the 5% of the platform I disagree with that's the problem, it's the general tone and justification. I do happen to think that there's a little bit more to government than just rights protection, so I wouldn't call myself a Libertarian- just one who has by now agreed with a reasonable amount of their positions. Or at least watched in horror as the Dems abandoned the positions closer to my views and wandered off down the path of silliness.
                      All syllogisms have three parts.
                      Therefore this is not a syllogism.

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                      • #71
                        As excepted, everyone recommends their own parties. How regular.

                        Considering that thanks to American electoral system there are two (2) parties with any kind of chance for success, you should stick with either one of them. Probably Republicans for you.
                        "Spirit merges with matter to sanctify the universe. Matter transcends to return to spirit. The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our self." - Dennis Kucinich, candidate for the U. S. presidency
                        "That’s the future of the Democratic Party: providing Republicans with a number of cute (but not that bright) comfort women." - Adam Yoshida, Canada's gift to the world

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                        • #72
                          If Bush runs again next term, vote Democratic. Simple, eh'?

                          I don't know much about American politics....Is it possible for Bush NOT to represent the Republican party next term? I mean, let's say the Republican Party give's it's nomination to that Rudy Guiliani guy... If bush wants to run again, he'd have to go third party, right?

                          as for switching parties, there is only one party over there I agree completely with:



                          Eugene Victor Debs is probably my favorite American of all time. If we had had people like him over here, we would be much better off.

                          I don't really see a point in the Communist Party anymore (the Communist and Socialist USA parties split in 1919, correct?). The Socialist Party is bigger, and the parties agree on everything, and act together all the time. Lenin's international call is over, them, and the SLP, need to fuse.

                          "For Jobs, Peace, and Freedom: Vote Socialist"
                          The two real political parties in America are the Winners and the Losers. The people don't acknowledge this. They claim membership in two imaginary parties, the Republicans and the Democrats, instead." - Kurt Vonnegut Jr. My (crappy) LiveJournal

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                          • #73
                            btw Imran, I'm curious why you have such a support for foreign aid. How do you feel about domestic issues such as medicare, welfare and social security? Do you feel it is right for the government to tax one person to death and hand the money over to someone else?


                            I think we need welfare, social security, and medicare. I believe you CAN'T take those away! People depend on that when they lose their jobs or get old. You can reform it (for instance I want to change welfare a bit, where job training would also come from the government, rather than just checks).

                            So, yeah, my mindset gels with more foreign aid . And hell, better for my capitalist mindset . Richer people in 3rd World Nations, more of a market . And also they can create their own goods to compete and use comparative advantage.

                            Imran, the thing about the Greens is, there's two of 'em. And what most people think about the Greens are really the socialist Greens. The main Green party is rather more moderate, though they are the one's that run Nader.


                            I know . But I didn't like the Naderites. They were the wacky ones. I actually ran into a Green Senate candiate. I was packing up the Republican booth at Rock The Vote (where we were looked at like animals by the college people), when he came up to us, talked for a bit, and wished us luck. Really nice guy . Nader just brought in some loonies.

                            I do happen to think that there's a little bit more to government than just rights protection


                            Same here, Snow. Which is why I'm not ready to jump into the Lib Party yet (and Montana is too cold, make it Texas or Virginia or Florida, and I'm there ).

                            And Snow, what is that avatar of?

                            Considering that thanks to American electoral system there are two (2) parties with any kind of chance for success, you should stick with either one of them


                            Ah, but I don't like either now . I'll probably end up voting for more Republicans than Dems anyway, but I'd rather not be affiliated with the party.

                            If Bush runs again next term, vote Democratic. Simple, eh'?


                            Depends on the Democrat.

                            I don't know much about American politics....Is it possible for Bush NOT to represent the Republican party next term? I mean, let's say the Republican Party give's it's nomination to that Rudy Guiliani guy... If bush wants to run again, he'd have to go third party, right?


                            You have it exactly right.
                            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Albert Speer
                              Suckle from her whory, liberal teat, Imran... suckle and disown Allah...
                              Are you implying that Libertarians are liberal? As in Ted Kennedy liberal?
                              What else is there to say apart from bleh?

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                              • #75
                                Well, if you look here, then you'll see two portraits at the top, and it shouldn't be too difficult to figure out which one it is.
                                All syllogisms have three parts.
                                Therefore this is not a syllogism.

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