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  • Actually, is crime a left-right issue in the UK? I get the import of monolith94's post that it is not.
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    • Originally posted by Ned
      Actually, is crime a left-right issue in the UK? I get the import of monolith94's post that it is not.
      Not really, the Tories winge about crime but they'd winge about there being too many policemen if Labour brought in more.

      The right just seem to complain about anything Labour do.

      Quick! We must all vote Lib Dem!

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      • I'd prefer to vote Lib Dem than Tory.

        There's no decent British right-wing party.
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        • Originally posted by Boddington's
          I'd prefer to vote Lib Dem than Tory.

          There's no decent British right-wing party.

          The Tories need to become more right-liberal (classical liberal) than right-authoritarian if they hope to regain votes.

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          • Yep, more libertarian.
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            • The Liberal Democrats have one excellent policy on crime, and that is the legalisation of cannabis. It's unfortunate that many Conservative members do not see this...
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              • Let's face it, Iain Duncan Smith has done SO little to improve the fortunes of the Tories. Britain was once described as 'a Conservative country which occasionally votes Labour' - that has been completely turned around. The Tories are really, really struggling - the media are being a far more potent opposition to the Government than they themselves are. Portillo or Clarke would have been thousands of times better than IDS - even Widdecombe would have done more for them.
                "Love the earth and sun and animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God, have patience and indulgence toward the people, take off your hat to nothing known or unknown . . . reexamine all you have been told at school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem and have the richest fluency" - Walt Whitman

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                • It will happen, even the Tories aren't stupid enough to carry on like this after the next election.

                  But even if they do become pro-gay rights, I still won't vote for them. I'm a lefty, after all

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                  • They should be pro-everyone's rights; no differentiation or special groups.
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                    • End this "equal opportunities" bollocks that really means better opportunities if you look a bit different.
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                      • Originally posted by Boddington's
                        They should be pro-everyone's rights; no differentiation or special groups.
                        Does that include non-English speakers?
                        "Love the earth and sun and animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God, have patience and indulgence toward the people, take off your hat to nothing known or unknown . . . reexamine all you have been told at school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem and have the richest fluency" - Walt Whitman

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                        • Of course, Clear Skies, Britain was a "Conservative country that occasionally votes Labour" back when Labour was a socialist party which, although it has socialist members, it is no longer.

                          I didn't hold out much hope for IDS. Unfortunately, he was always going to win the leadership contest; Clarke would've caused the party to fall apart over Europe, and whilst I agree with much of what Portillo and his supporters believe and say, there was always the lingering suspicion that he wasn't the right person for the job, even if he had the right policies.

                          IDS has been better than I expected. Perhaps he can be the "Kinnock" of the Conservative Party, dragging the right of the party back towards the centre. I can't see him ever becoming Prime Minister though - unless Labour monumentally **** up.
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                          • Originally posted by Boddington's
                            They should be pro-everyone's rights; no differentiation or special groups.

                            Then surely that would mean gay people should recieve 100% the same rights as straight people? Legalising gay marraige, abolishing section 28, etc.

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                            • What's your point?

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                              • Originally posted by red_jon



                                Then surely that would mean gay people should recieve 100% the same rights as straight people? Legalising gay marraige, abolishing section 28, etc.
                                Marriage is an institution for enabling a stable family home for couples wanting to bring children into this world. Marriage is for man and woman.

                                Gays should not raise children.
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