Canadian Police demonstrate the proper handling of rabble

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kamrat X
It was the "entertainment" part of your post I thought was a bit stupid. But there is other ways than rubber bullets to handle "attention starved little ****s" you know

Not for the millions of dollars we're putting into this.

It's very obvious what they plan to do. There have been little "training camps" going on just outside of the city limits for the upcoming summit. They're teaching you how to resist arrest, how to build your own gasmask, etc. It's really pathetic, and I really do hope that they get shot at with rubber bullets the second they try anything stupid. The military's out there so hopefully they have more training than regular police.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Sorry Kamrat. I saw footage of cameramen being attacked by a bunch of dweebs. They seemed to be intent on saying f*ck anything that looks like the establishment. I have no sympathy.

If they attacked the camera crew without provocation they don´t get any sympathy from me either. I don´t know if this was the case here. On the other hand I know how intrusive some camera crews can be, I was "harrassed" by a few in Gothenburg last year. I wasn´t doing anything illegal, just trying to guard the anti-Bush demonstration from police and provocateurs.

The G7 (which BTW the meeting was for, not G8; Russia is joining later) is about managing our economies, not overturning Indian democracy to reimpose the Raj.

G7, G8, same ****... And what has the overturning of democracy (in India or elsewhere) to do with the struggle for a more just and fair economic system?

Yes. The anarchists seemed to have acted pretty stupid. In Canada it is a wee bit accepted to have a go at the police in minor ways. It has happened from time to time. Coming armed to a confrontation is ruled off side though. Going after anybody else? Not on your f*ckin life! No matter your cause.

This is where anarchists and us marxists (of all varieties) differ. Anarchists seem to think that fighting with the police and wanton destruction and mayhem is a goal in itself. we think different. We belive that you have to think one step ahead. Even if you´re pissed off, throwing stones without considering the conseqences is stupid.

[Asher]

Kamrat X: You do realize nobody gives a sh*t about protests, right?

All people see is a bunch of communists and anarchists disrupting their drive home and city parks, that doesn't HELP the communist and anarchists causes.

You have to wonder just how dumb some people are sometimes.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Asher

Not for the millions of dollars we're putting into this.

It's very obvious what they plan to do. There have been little "training camps" going on just outside of the city limits for the upcoming summit. They're teaching you how to resist arrest, how to build your own gasmask, etc. It's really pathetic, and I really do hope that they get shot at with rubber bullets the second they try anything stupid. The military's out there so hopefully they have more training than regular police.

What I mean is that these people aren´t a very large group. They can´t possibly threaten the capitalist system with their actions (and the police and military exists to protect said system after all). Therefore I think rubber bullets are uncalled for. The government has the upper hand in this power-wise, they don´t have to resort to violence. It only creates more anger and frustration on the part of the anti-globalization movement, and acts a excuse for violent anarchists to behave the way they do.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Asher
Kamrat X: You do realize nobody gives a sh*t about protests, right?

All people see is a bunch of communists and anarchists disrupting their drive home and city parks, that doesn't HELP the communist and anarchists causes.

You have to wonder just how dumb some people are sometimes.

IIRC Seattle opened the eyes of quite a few people and revived the anti-globalization movement, not to mention spur the founding of ATTAC.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kamrat X
IIRC Seattle opened the eyes of quite a few people and revived the anti-globalization movement, not to mention spur the founding of ATTAC.

How do you figure?
Seattle opened the eyes to people for how STUPID protestors tend to be, not for any causes they pretended to support.

There is no real anti-globalization movement outside of your own little protest groups. Sorry to burst your bubble.

I'd really like to know how you figure those protests did anything positive for your causes? They caused great damage to them from most people's eyes. Immature, uneducated, violent misfits don't like globalization...oh my god, globalization sucks!

[notyoueither]

Kamrat. I have to agree with Asher.

Violence is never going to win support.

Violence against people and property is only going to alienate people. Period. Remember Ghandi, and more importantly, why he won.

[KrazyHorse]

Ghandi was shot, India was partitioned and religious violence runs rampant in the former colony.

Gandhi didn't win.

[notyoueither]

He won independence for India. India today is one of the more important democracies in the world. One day soon, it will be one of the more important economies of the world. I think he won.

[Flubber]

I always find the purpose of these protests to be a little confused and confusing. The main, and sometimes only, message that gets out is about the violence.

I find the story tolde from the protestors point of view to be revealing. In almost all these protests, the police erct a barricade and essentially say " go this far and no farther". For some reason the protestors can never respect a barricade and it almost invariably comes down. Then its the police's fault that they react to this
????

I live in Calgary and we are bracing for the G-8 summit nearby. There have been stories regarding the necessary security, traffic disruptions and as Asher pointed out, the attempt to camp in parks. I have also read of a number of businesses that will close for the duration as they expect damage from the protestors and the insurance companies have specifically excluded protest damage ( or made it prohibitively expensive).

There might be some messages put forth by the protestors that I might agree with if they were put forth rationally but when all I see is a rabble protesting globalization, the only thing I am thinking is that I hope there are a lot of police about to keep my family safe

[Seeker]

Umm, what are they actually protesting about? What is being decided upon at this conference?

Are there any actual issues or just BS?

[notyoueither]

From the news clips I saw, it was a bunch of kids acting out their anti-establishment leanings.

From the link: Canada's Finance Minister, John Manley, told reporters that fighting poverty and offering aid to developing countries were the main topics discussed.

"If you want to live in a world of peace, we have to confront a world of need," he said.

Yup, those capitalists are sure oppressing the third world. Doesn't seem to matter what the topic of the meeting is. The twits show up for their show.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Asher

How do you figure?
Seattle opened the eyes to people for how STUPID protestors tend to be, not for any causes they pretended to support.

Maybe it´s different in Canada. Everywhere else Seattle was a turning point in the struggle.

There is no real anti-globalization movement outside of your own little protest groups. Sorry to burst your bubble.

NEWSFLASH: Kamrat X doesn´t actually think the anti-globalization movement has penetrated all levels of society. He says that they´re working on it though. He also refutes the allegation made by a canadian citizen that any bubbles have been burst.

I'd really like to know how you figure those protests did anything positive for your causes? They caused great damage to them from most people's eyes. Immature, uneducated, violent misfits don't like globalization...oh my god, globalization sucks!

Even one as ignorant as you must be aware of the fact that the anti-globalization movement´s got a lot more going now then it did pre-Seattle. The violence hasn´t harmed us as much as you´d like to think...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kamrat X
Maybe it´s different in Canada. Everywhere else Seattle was a turning point in the struggle.

How do you figure?
Just where do you get that idea? It boggles my mind.

Even one as ignorant as you must be aware of the fact that the anti-globalization movement´s got a lot more going now then it did pre-Seattle. The violence hasn´t harmed us as much as you´d like to think...

I'm the ignorant one, and you're the protestor protesting against globalization............riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yes, Seattle hurt the movement. Why? Because while Commies and Anarchists might have been rallied, others, such as people you might have had a chance to reach (the left leaning Democrat, the anti-NAFTA Republican) were TOTALLY put off by the violence and smashing of McDonald's. It was a dumb move and it has hurt greatly.

Most people (even on Liberal College Campuses) believe that the anti-globalization people are a bunch of kids with nothing better to do than break stuff. They have no respect.