Teaching dangerous lies to teens.

[Darkworld Ark]

I've always liked the mormon sex education; don't talk about it & let them figure it out after their wedding.

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by H Tower
the ends justify the means?

That is one theory. I'm not saying I believe that, but that is what many Catholic scholars believe. The almost all the scholars who don't believe that believe in one of the other two.

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
So if the purpose is intercourse, than why can infertile couples still have sex? Isn't there act still contrary to the natural order then if it can't fufill it's intended purpose? And why is it possible for those who can't procreate due to nature or injury to have a connjugal life of fruitfullness but not those who chose to have intercourse with the same effect to contraception? The Church's position on Birth Control is not consistent with other Catholic doctrine and does not have scriptual support that I am aware of.

Totally infertile couples aren't even suppose to get married in the Catholic Church. As long as there is a chance, no matter how insignificant, that the union could be procreative then they can have sex and get married. This allows for pretty much everyone to get married since you can always argue a chance. This is backed by scripture, though I can't remember off hand which Gospel it is from. One of the reasons for Catholicism to have virtually no official set of what is what is right and wrong is because he Church believes that the Gospels aren't completely accurate. The vast majority of Catholic scholars believe that Jesus didn't say most of what was recorded, and probably didn't say many other things. They are only sure of a small amount. The remaining few things they believe be probably said.

[Dr Strangelove]

The vast majority of Catholics don't follow official doctrine regarding birth control and a number of other popular social issues, and they're not particularily concerned about papal infalibility, yet this does not diminish the faith of the ones I know.

[Apocalypse]

If they aren't concerned with the two ex cathedra statements, I don't know why they are Catholics. They are both pretty major. If I only could remember them. I'm being raised as a Catholic, but I'm probably closer to those No Free Will Buddhists than any other religion.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Apocalypse
If they aren't concerned with the two ex cathedra statements, I don't know why they are Catholics. They are both pretty major. If I only could remember them. I'm being raised as a Catholic, but I'm probably closer to those No Free Will Buddhists than any other religion.

Well face it, you and I just don't know and never will. I've been trying to nail my Catholic friends on that sort of thing half my life, but everytime I think I've got one backed into a corner they just smile and wiggle out of my grasp. I don't know, maybe they're in it for the faith or something like that.

[Shi Huangdi]

"Totally infertile couples aren't even suppose to get married in the Catholic Church."

Where does it say this in thie Cathecism? Or was this is an encyclical(If that's the case, a linkwould be appreciated)

[KrazyHorse]

AFAIK (and I may be wrong on this, as I was on the the extent of the Church's repudiation of contraception), there's nothing against an infertile couple marrying. Also, the priests that I knew claimed that while the position of the Church up till around VaticanII was that sex was purely procreative, the position currently is that its usefulness is threefold:

1) Procreation
2) To cement marital bonds
3) Pleasure

[CyberGnu]

The only sure way to stop teenage pregancies is death. Write your congressman today calling for mandatory execution of everyone under the age of 20.

On a more serious note: Move to California, the only state in the union that refuses to sell out their kids future. (i.e. they refuse the federal bribe and continue to teach their kids about sex).

[DrFell]

Originally posted by Sprayber
I don't expect a parent to choose physics books, but they should have a say in what their child hears about sex.

Why?

[Traianvs]

I'm not sure how exactly the americans deal with it, but I personally am sick and tired of sex education, we've had it 3 times already in 6 years of 'high school' and then there's the 2 times we've looked at it in a more scientific way (biology class)... hell we've even had it in our last year of elementary school! I mean, teenagers know about it! And then i haven't even mentioned tv, etc...and conversations with friends where teenagers hear "things"! I just think that teenagers don't walk around all day with a condom in their pocket, and when something happens they just * without it, and also buying condoms is still a delicate matter i think, most kids don't dare ask their parents for condoms...

Same thing with drugs really, we've had drug education twice already, i know exactly what kind of drugs there are, how they look like, how they work, what i should look out for etc.. kids know all about it, but that doesn't prevent them from taking drugs.

[DrFell]

Yeah, by the time we had sex education in school I was already very 'knowledgeable' about the subject in general anyway

Still, if it cuts the teen pregnancy rate/spread of AIDS/etc by any amount it's worth it IMHO.

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
"Totally infertile couples aren't even suppose to get married in the Catholic Church."

Where does it say this in thie Cathecism? Or was this is an encyclical(If that's the case, a linkwould be appreciated)

People who get married are suppose to be open to having children.

[Shi Huangdi]

Of course I know the RCC says that. But where does the Church say totally inferitle couples can't get married? The Cathecism definitely seems to indicate that they can.