Teaching dangerous lies to teens.

[red_jon]

Originally posted by Apocalypse
red_jon, I sneak out of the house too. It hasn't affected my sexual education though.

Well my point is that without sex education from school I wouldn't have had it (maybe a moot point considering we were taught straight sex...)

[Apocalypse]

I wouldn't have had formal sex education either, but I still learned it from other places.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by red_jon


Because parents don't always do what is in the best interests of their child. I have to sneak out of the house to go on dates.

So you want the state to take that responsibility away from the parents and you want the state to get further in the business of deciding what is right and what is not right.

Maybe we should do away with parents completely. Make it to where the state takes children away to be raised in the proper setting without those ignorant parents.

[red_jon]

Originally posted by Sprayber


So you want the state to take that responsibility away from the parents and you want the state to get further in the business of deciding what is right and what is not right.

Maybe we should do away with parents completely. Make it to where the state takes children away to be raised in the proper setting without those ignorant parents.

Not all parents are responsible. We need the state to fill in the gaps where some parents fall short. This doesn't mean that all parents will fall short, but it is important that ALL teenagers are fully informed.

[Apocalypse]

The state can't fill all the gaps, and even if it is taught in schools many people won't pay attention for one reason or another - especially during the important parts.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by red_jon



Not all parents are responsible. We need the state to fill in the gaps where some parents fall short. This doesn't mean that all parents will fall short, but it is important that ALL teenagers are fully informed.

So what's wrong with active parents being able to have some say in what is taught? Here in the US at least, education is a local matter paid by local taxes. Don't you think they should have say in what is taught especially with issues where the school is trying to be a surragate parent? I don't expect a parent to choose physics books, but they should have a say in what their child hears about sex.

[KrazyHorse]

There is no official stance. They are generally considered wrong. Another widely accepted theory is that as long as you practice faith, hope, and love sex is fine

What a crock. The Pope has issued, IIRC, 3 statements prohibiting most contrceptive means, and one of them had infallibility attached to it.

[Apocalypse]

Only twice has a pope used infallibilty, it those two times have been long ago.

You have three main theories about sin in the Catholic Church. One of them is called Virtue Ethics. Basically, as long as you strive to be virtuous, you're fine. The other two have to do with intent and action. Both say, if the action is for good, then it is alright. One of the two says if the intent is good, but the action bad, the good intention outweighs the bad - making it moral.

Just because the pope says something, doesn't mean everyone is required to believe it - unless it is ex cathedra. Like I said before, ex cathedra has only been done twice.

[Dr Strangelove]

Abstinence is the only effective form of AIDS prevention.

[H Tower]

the ends justify the means?

[Shi Huangdi]

Apoclaypse is correct regarfing infallibility.

The RCC position on birth control is bull****. The Church claims to the purpose to intercourse is procreation However:


Cathecism 1654: (regarding infertile married couples)

Spouses to whom God has not granted children can nevertheless have a conjugal life full of meaning, in both human and Christian terms. Their marriage can radiate a fruitfullness of charit, of hospitality, and sacrifice.

So if the purpose is intercourse, than why can infertile couples still have sex? Isn't there act still contrary to the natural order then if it can't fufill it's intended purpose? And why is it possible for those who can't procreate due to nature or injury to have a connjugal life of fruitfullness but not those who chose to have intercourse with the same effect to contraception? The Church's position on Birth Control is not consistent with other Catholic doctrine and does not have scriptual support that I am aware of. Furthermore, considering the prevalance of disease and overpopulation, it does far more to aid the dignity of man that the Church talks about by using our resources to try to help provide decent lives to the people who are here rather than adding more people that the world struggles to support. It would cause great poverty in the near future if every Catholic family would go back to having around 10 children.

Fourtunately, the Church does at least acknowlege the other argument:

Neither is it valid to argue, as a justification for sexual intercourse which is deliberately contraceptive, that a lesser evil is to be preferred to a greater one, or that such intercourse would merge with procreative acts of past and future to form a single entity, and so be qualified by exactly the same moral goodness as these.

-Pope Paul VI, Humane Vitae

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by H Tower
the ends justify the means?

Are YOU talking to me? Are you talking to ME?

If you had a little experience with the ends I don't think you'd ask that question. AIDS is a horrible way to die, but its also a horrible way to live.

[H Tower]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


Are YOU talking to me? Are you talking to ME?

If you had a little experience with the ends I don't think you'd ask that question. AIDS is a horrible way to die, but its also a horrible way to live.

no, i was just too slow to get my post in before yours, i was referring to Apocalypse's post

[Anodyne]

Originally posted by Sprayber
So what's wrong with active parents being able to have some say in what is taught? Here in the US at least, education is a local matter paid by local taxes. Don't you think they should have say in what is taught especially with issues where the school is trying to be a surragate parent? I don't expect a parent to choose physics books, but they should have a say in what their child hears about sex.

...do you guys actually think that sex education in schools would prevent parents from educating their children?

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Ade


...do you guys actually think that sex education in schools would prevent parents from educating their children?

It would make the old "cabbage patch" story look pretty lame, thus diminishing the parent in the children's eyes.