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  • #76
    Chrétien can get away with it because nobody understands what the hell he's saying anyways.

    And when they do, he just gives them the big old Chrétien shrug.

    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
    Stadtluft Macht Frei
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    • #77
      Sure JC's comments were stupid, but he was directly acting a whole region of people.

      Harper said:
      "Atlantic Canada's culture of defeat will be hard to overcome as long as Atlantic Canada is actually physically trailing the rest of the country."

      The Liberals, PC and NDP are going to have a field day with that quote in the next election.
      Golfing since 67

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Tingkai
        CA political strategists have their heads of their butts.
        We've known that since that fateful day when the CCRAP party was unveiled.
        I refute it thus!
        "Destiny! Destiny! No escaping that for me!"

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        • #79
          Where the hell does he mention lazy?

          And you seem to be mistaken if you don't think Chretien alienates provinces. He frequently pisses off Alberta with comments.

          For every one quote from Harper which mentions that a region of Canada has consistently been performing poorly economically, there's 10 from Chretien which mention beating students with baseball bats, the fact that his government "lost" $1B, the fact he spent $100M on private jets, etc.

          Oh, and now the fact that he fired his only competent cabinet minister and told everyone running against him they'd need to drop out of the race or be fired.

          What a nice guy.
          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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          • #80
            Alberta's given the Liberals a big fat raspberry, so Chrétien's not going to bother not trying to piss them off.
            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
            Stadtluft Macht Frei
            Killing it is the new killing it
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            • #81
              Originally posted by Goingonit


              We've known that since that fateful day when the CCRAP party was unveiled.


              That was a Canadian classic.

              The thing that gets me is that Harper pisses off the Martimes and he can't even figure out that he has done something wrong. The CAs are all sitting there telling themselves that Harper was just speaking the truth without thinking about how his comments will go down with voters in the east. Typical CA thinking.

              I am an NDP supporter, but at least I realize when the NDP is sticking its foot in its mouth. The worst NDP line was the one about "ordinary Canadians." This completely alienated voters because no one wants to identify with "ordinary" people.
              Golfing since 67

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              • #82
                Tingkai, the quotes aren't nearly as bad as the NDP and Liberals are hyping them up to be.

                It's quite clear from Harper's further quotes that he intends to bolster the economic situation of the region.

                Instead of bringing that up, the NDP (in their infinite wisdom) keeps running around screaming at the marintimes and zombie supporters "THEY CALLED US LAZY! HOW DARE THEY! WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT THAT? WE DON'T LIKE IT, RIGHT?! NO WE DONT! DOWN WITH THE CA! WOOO!!!!".

                Lazy was her own word, perhaps she should take flak for that.
                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                • #83
                  Whatever works. Whatever works...

                  Anyhoo, time will tell.
                  12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                  Stadtluft Macht Frei
                  Killing it is the new killing it
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by KrazyHorse


                    Well, much of this was precipitated by Chrétien shipping off former Industry Minister Gagliano (sp) to the Ambassador's post in Denmark amidst charges of corruption during his tenure...
                    I can't believe that Chrétien actually shipped Gagliano off to *Denmark*. I mean, could he (or his press agents) not see that there would be instant comparisons to Hamlet and the line "there's a rot in the Kingdom of Denmark" (or something like that).

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Asher
                      Where the hell does he mention lazy?

                      And you seem to be mistaken if you don't think Chretien alienates provinces. He frequently pisses off Alberta with comments.

                      For every one quote from Harper which mentions that a region of Canada has consistently been performing poorly economically, there's 10 from Chretien which mention beating students with baseball bats, the fact that his government "lost" $1B, the fact he spent $100M on private jets, etc.

                      Oh, and now the fact that he fired his only competent cabinet minister and told everyone running against him they'd need to drop out of the race or be fired.

                      What a nice guy.
                      You don't get it Asher. Harper insulted the Maritimes, place he is trying to develop a power base. Not only that, he insulted all the Martimers living in the RoC. And what political gains did he achieve in the end. None. His comments might appeal to Western conservatives, but they were going to vote for him anyway.

                      When JC says something that pisses off Albertans, it doesn't matter too much, because as you have told us so often, the Liberals don't care about Alberta and they don't need Albertan votes.

                      As for JC and Martin, The Liberal spin on the JC's stand is that he is showing his strength, laying down the law and that he is in control of his party.

                      And your comments about "what a nice guy" indicates you don't understand politics. How often do Canadians vote for parties that have a "nice guy" as a leader.
                      Golfing since 67

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Tingkai
                        When JC says something that pisses off Albertans, it doesn't matter too much, because as you have told us so often, the Liberals don't care about Alberta and they don't need Albertan votes.
                        Hold on here.
                        Suddenly Alberta is not important, where the Maritimes are?

                        It's quite clear they're not going to vote for the CA anyway. Notice how they vote NDP and Liberal? They're too left wing. Even if the CA praised them for being the best people in the world they still wouldn't vote.

                        It's the same deal as Liberals and Alberta.

                        As for JC and Martin, The Liberal spin on the JC's stand is that he is showing his strength, laying down the law and that he is in control of his party.
                        Reminds me of Castro.

                        And your comments about "what a nice guy" indicates you don't understand politics. How often do Canadians vote for parties that have a "nice guy" as a leader.
                        I like to vote for leaders who don't FIRE people who are running against them in a leadership race, to discourage people from doing so.

                        It smells of fascism, to a degree.

                        And your comments playing this down indicates you don't understand much of anything.
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                        • #87

                          Oh my god. The NDP are using Harper's comments against him. They're not trying to help Harper pull his foot out of his mouth. They must be truely evil.

                          Asher, you truly amaze me.

                          Is there something in Alberta's water that makes CA supporters politically stupid?
                          Golfing since 67

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Tingkai

                            Oh my god. The NDP are using Harper's comments against him. They're not trying to help Harper pull his foot out of his mouth. They must be truely evil.

                            Asher, you truly amaze me.

                            Is there something in Alberta's water that makes CA supporters politically stupid?
                            You really enjoy your strawmen, don't you?

                            I think the NDP are being incredibly stupid because all they ever do is b*tch and moan about how stupid everyone else is, and every time they get into power somewhere they f*ck it up in new ways every time. It's incredible.

                            I never said the NDP were evil, and I'd appreciate it if you stopped using NDP tactics by twisting people's words to try to win an argument.
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Asher
                              Hold on here.
                              Suddenly Alberta is not important, where the Maritimes are?
                              You're the one saying no one cares about Alberta when it comes to federal politics, not me.

                              Originally posted by Asher
                              It's quite clear they're not going to vote for the CA anyway. Notice how they vote NDP and Liberal? They're too left wing. Even if the CA praised them for being the best people in the world they still wouldn't vote.
                              Brilliant political strategy. I suppose you write off the CA's chances in Ontario cause we all know that Ontarians voted Liberal during the past three or four federal elections. And of course, the Maritimes has always votes NDP in federal elections.


                              Originally posted by Asher
                              I like to vote for leaders who don't IRE people who are running against them in a leadership race, to discourage people from doing so.
                              Yes, we know how you conservatives prefer to spend your time fighting among each other rather than trying to form the next government.
                              Golfing since 67

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Tingkai
                                You're the one saying no one cares about Alberta when it comes to federal politics, not me.
                                You still don't understand.
                                You're setting a double standard here by saying it's okay for the liberals to give the shaft to Alberta, because the votes don't count. At the same time, you're saying it's not okay for anyone to give the shaft to the maritimes, even though their votes don't really count either.

                                Which is it?

                                At any rate, Harper's comments make it clear he wants to boost the Maritimes' economy, unlike Chretien's open comments and actions which neglect, alienate, and insult Alberta on a regular basis.

                                I suppose you write off the CA's chances in Ontario cause we all know that Ontarians voted Liberal during the past three or four federal elections. And of course, the Maritimes has always votes NDP in federal elections.
                                A very sizable chunk voted for the CA even with a whacko like Day in control, and with the latest Liberal blunders more and more people will vote for the other parties as they're sick of the Liberals. It's inevitable.

                                Yes, we know how you conservatives prefer to spend your time fighting among each other rather than trying to form the next government.
                                You do realize you're saying this at a time where there's articles out about the "Liberal civil war", and about how Chretien is firing his most competent people because he feels like it?

                                How fitting.
                                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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