Chretien begins forming his fascist dictatorship

[Asher]

Something like 40% of Canadians voted for the CA last election, KH.

Even I wouldn't vote for CA last election.

Now that Stockwell's out it'll get more.

Maybe not in Quebec (where you live), but in more sane regions, yes.

Quebec is full of masochists, I fully expect them to keep electing Liberals or Bloc.

[Asher]

And what makes you think the NDP is more of an option to people than the CA?

BC certainly wouldn't go that way, what with what the NDP did to devastate BC's economy. Alberta would NEVER, EVER vote NDP. Saskatchewan might, and other have-not provinces might, but the have provinces outvote them.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Asher
Something like 40% of Canadians voted for the CA last election, KH.

Liberals: 40.8%
CA: 25.5%
PC: 12.2%
BQ: 10.8%
NDP: 8.5%

EDIT: source is http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election.../federal.shtml

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Asher
And what makes you think the NDP is more of an option to people than the CA?

It is in Ontario and east.

[Asher]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Liberals: 40.8%
CA: 25.5%
PC: 12.2%
BQ: 10.8%
NDP: 8.5%

Ah, Liberals was 40%.

Still, how do you figure the NDP, in last place with 8.5%, could beat out the CA?

Especially considering the CA will get a big boost in popularity without Herman Day.

[KrazyHorse]

'Scuse me: I didn't say that the NDP would beat out the CA, but that the Liberals would choose to form their minority government in a coalition with the NDP, who they're a lot closer to than the CA.

[Asher]

You really think that a Liberal government, perhaps under Paul Martin, is closer to the NDP than it is to the CA?

That's pretty funny.

[Asher]

And regarding the NDP -- how do you figure they stand a chance, again? Even with a "coalition" government it wouldn't add much at all to scene.

http://www.swishweb.com/Politics/Canada/Fed_Elect_Results/politics04fer.htm

In terms of seats won, in 1997:
NDP: 21
Reform/CA: 60

2000:
NDP: 13
Reform/CA: 66

See a trend?

[KrazyHorse]

No, the fact that you think the opposite is really funny. Martin's no longer the frontrunner for PM, IMO. John Manley is probably going to be it, and their coalition might differ on some issues, but the idea that a centre-left party would ally itself with the furthest-right party is ridiculous.

The Libs would choose (in this order): the NDP, the PCs, the CA and the BQ. The only reason I put the BQ after the CA is that the BQ would look silly running the country they want to break up.

[Asher]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
No, the fact that you think the opposite is really funny. Martin's no longer the frontrunner for PM, IMO. John Manley is probably going to be it, and their coalition might differ on some issues, but the idea that a centre-left party would ally itself with the furthest-right party is ridiculous.

Bull****. Obviously Chretien was most threatened by Paul Martin, which is why he replaced Martin with Manley.

The liberals are NOT a center-left party, but a center party. The NDP is extreme left, the CA is moderate right.

The Libs would choose (in this order): the NDP, the PCs, the CA and the BQ. The only reason I put the BQ after the CA is that the BQ would look silly running the country they want to break up.

I'm absolutely convinced you're stoned right now.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Asher
And regarding the NDP -- how do you figure they stand a chance, again? Even with a "coalition" government it wouldn't add much at all to scene.

http://www.swishweb.com/Politics/Canada/Fed_Elect_Results/politics04fer.htm

In terms of seats won, in 1997:
NDP: 21
Reform/CA: 60

2000:
NDP: 13
Reform/CA: 66

See a trend?

Gains for CA all came in Western Canada, a region which is now basically tapped out. If they want more seats they have to make headway into Central and Eastern Canada, most notably Ontario. This is something they've failed to do to any real degree.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Asher
The liberals are NOT a center-left party, but a center party. The NDP is extreme left, the CA is moderate right

I see. There's a centre party, an extremely moderate right-wing party (PC), a moderate right-wing party (CA) and an extremist Marxist-Leninist party (NDP). Something seems a bit off...

[Asher]

Right, mostly because Stockwell Day scared many many people. Myself included. Now that there's a sane person at the helm of the party (an economist, even), coupled with the fact that there's a growing distrust and dislike for the liberal government which is suffering from f*ckup after f*ckup, coupled by the declining interest in socialists in the NDP, I expect a very strong CA showing next election.

I dont' see by which logic you think more people will vote NDP to make it a meaningful party. I mean, they're seeing a relatively left wing party screwing up constantly, so you think the first thing that'll pop into these peoples minds is to vote for a MORE left wing party, with MORE government involvement in everything?

[Asher]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I see. There's a centre party, an extremely moderate right-wing party (PC), a moderate right-wing party (CA) and an extremist Marxist-Leninist party (NDP). Something seems a bit off...

Here's the spectrum as I see it, from right to left wing:

Canadian Alliance
Progressive Conservatives
(gap)
(gap)
Liberals
(gap)
(gap)
(gap)
(gap)
(gap)
NDP

[KrazyHorse]

Asher, you're a silly man. The PC and the CA can't even come into an agreement. What makes you think the CA and the Libs could?