Ignoring the issue of slavery, who would you have wanted to win the civil war?

[ZaphodBeeblebrx]

Well, I'm a firm believer that History repeats itself.

If you compare the Modern Voting Records, to the ones, from the Decades leading up to the American Civil War, you'll notice a Disturbing Similarity.

It's this sort of analysis, that made me really worried about The Taliban, back when they destroyed those Buddhist Statues.

[KrazyHorse]

And what is this disturbing similarity?

[SpencerH]

Just a guess (until we get the answer) but I'd say its the 50-50 split between the predominantly ( liberal) democrat north-east and west coast vs the (conservative) republican remainder of the country. Prior to the war the country was split with the south democrat and the north republican.

[KrazyHorse]

I'd like to know what historical precedent he saw for the Taliban that worried him...

[SlowwHand]

Just so I can get called a dumbass again by Boris, Ethelred, and MrFun:

The North wasn't all that keen on Lincoln The Ape, as he was called. The only President who talked to himself more was Richard Nixon.
By the same token, the South wasn't fanatical about Jeff Davis.

[ZaphodBeeblebrx]

Well, check out the following Link:

US Presidential Elections

Look especially at the Records from the 1840s, and take a Good, Long, Look at the 1860 Voting Records. See anything familiar?

[ZaphodBeeblebrx]

Originally posted by SpencerH
Just a guess (until we get the answer) but I'd say its the 50-50 split between the predominantly ( liberal) democrat north-east and west coast vs the (conservative) republican remainder of the country. Prior to the war the country was split with the south democrat and the north republican.

Exactly my thought.

I'd include the Northern Mid-West, as well, but the Mid-West, as a whole, doesn't seem to be quite as fanatical, as the rest of the Nation, although they did spawn the Smiley-Face Mailbox Bomber, from just this Past Spring.

[SpencerH]

I forgot about the electoral college mal-distribution in comparison to the popular vote which isnt quite as true today, but it is still a factor in terms of sentiment amongst the democrat supporters.

[ZaphodBeeblebrx]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I'd like to know what historical precedent he saw for the Taliban that worried him...

Oh, it's just the Typical Behavior, of any Monotheistic Religion, when around anything Old, and/or Beautiful, especially and, that belongs to, any other Culture; suffice it to say, they don’t play Very Well, with other People’s Toys!

That, and the Hindu, Gold Star, Debacle, makes me glad that we took them out, albeit, later than I would have liked; otherwise, the Next we would have heard from them, would have been in 2008, when they would have asked, for The Sudetenland!

[SpencerH]

Otherwise known as Kashmir

[ZaphodBeeblebrx]

Probably, either that or the Kurdish part of Pakistan.

As for Electoral College Mal-Distribution, that problem has been Solved; don't worry, Dubya and Ashrot, are certain to win in 2004.

Now, where did I put my Complaint-Writin' Pen?

[SpencerH]

Ah, you've given yourself away Yankee

[ZaphodBeeblebrx]

Yankee?

I'm from New Hampshire, we're All actually Southerners.

Unfortunately, that, also, gives us Senator Bob Smith, but he's too Crazy, even for us; Jean Shaheen for Senate!

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Ignorance is when one doesn't know, and just is mistaken, Ethelred.
Stupidity, on the other hand, is when facts are presented, and ignored.

Well I didn't see any presented that were wrong except maybe yours. I sure didn't get anything wrong and I note here that you are unable to show anything wrong in what I said. You are just complaining about it.

I can back everything I have said. If there is something you particularly thought was wrong how about you give us all a clue about what it was?

Did you think the South didn't seceed?

Did you think Ft Sumter starting the shooting and blockaded the port?

Do you have some for thinking the secession documents were a pack of lies?

Did you somehow have the impression that Lincoln had said he was going to invade the South and free all the humans down there that were enslaved by force during his campaign for the Presidency?

Perhaps you think all the slaves in the South were owned by Northerners through off shore accounts and they also owned all the Southern State Legislature and they bribed them to seceed so they could make money on military coffin sales.

Your figures are wrong.
Your statement about secession before the firing on Ft. Sumter, is wrong.

It was absolutely right. Where the heck did you get the silly idea that Southerners were firing on Ft. Sumter BEFORE they seceded? Most of the states seceded before Lincoln was even in office.

Your belief about why the South wanted out of the Union, wrong.

Remarkable! Then there was no secession or a Civil War. We have been lied too all are lives and now Slowhand has showed us the truth. Someone fired on Ft. Sumter for no reason at all and the story about the Civil War was a cover up.


Do you think you give some sort of support for these remarkable claims of yours Slowhand? I really had no idea that the South wanted to stay in the Union all along and that was all a nefarious plot to make it look like they ever seceeded. I always thought they Seceeded and went to war. The facts do lend themselves to that.

150 years ago, no different than today, evidently.
The South was tired of hearing the North talk smack about them.
Frankly, I'm beginning to fully understand how they felt.

Frankly you sound delusional on this.

They Seceded and they did so over slavery. They said so. Most of the states seceeded shortly after the election. Ft. Sumter was blockaded before Lincoln was in office. The South chose to fire on Ft Sumter thus starting the Civil War.

[Guynemer]

You know that "Flame Warriors" website? The address eludes me, but more and more, Sloww is resembling "Stone Deaf".

People (Boris in particular) present cited passages from documents and books and speeches, and Sloww just has his fingers in his ears, "la la la la, I can't hear you, it was all the North's fault, la la la la."

I've never understood why this particular issue was so particularly touchy with some southerners. Yeah, we never like to admit past wrongs, but come on; we're all Americans here.