Ignoring the issue of slavery, who would you have wanted to win the civil war?

[Caligastia]

Okay, so if the confederates hadnt supported slavery, who would you support and why?

[OzzyKP]

Good thread. If the South didn't support slavery then I'd be rooting for them. They championed state's rights and besides slavery the Civil War was about growing Federal power. Because I don't like such a strong central government, I would have wanted the Confederates to win.

Though of course I hate the idea of having two different countries here (i'd need a passport to go to Disney ) So I'd hope that the Union would get the message that a strong central government is bad, and the two woud peacefully reconcile and join together again.

[Boris Godunov]

They championed state's rights

Only when it suited them. When it didn't (Kansas), they cheered Federal intervention.

The notion the South was some sort of hero of state's rights is a myth propogated by southern apologists after the war. Had the Federal government been acting in Southern interests, they no doubt wouldn't have minded at all (and, as I said, didn't in historic incidences).

I will always go for the Union. Had they lost, while no once can predict what would have happened, there is the strong risk things would be much worse today for both our country and the world as a whole. I hate tampering with history...

[MrFun]

I would have, without question, supported the Union.

The federal government did not violate the Constitution, and did not give any legitimate reason for the Southern states to secede.

No sane government would provide a legal means for its own destruction by allowing legal secession.



BTW -- this thread title is oxymoronic.
It would be like asking this -- Ignoring the abusive policies of Great Britain, who would you have supported in winning the American Revolutionary War??

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Only when it suited them. When it didn't (Kansas), they cheered Federal intervention.

The notion the South was some sort of hero of state's rights is a myth propogated by southern apologists after the war. Had the Federal government been acting in Southern interests, they no doubt wouldn't have minded at all (and, as I said, didn't in historic incidences).

Hmm, well if thats the case then I'd be in favor of the North of course. No need to split away without any honest greviance.

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
I will always go for the Union. Had they lost, while no once can predict what would have happened, there is the strong risk things would be much worse today for both our country and the world as a whole. I hate tampering with history...

Yea, I hate tampering with history too. Too many what ifs. What if the US was split. Would we be strong enough to defeat Hitler in WW2? Would Nazism take over the globe? Would we have even gotten involved in WW1 and would there even have been a WW2? Would the North South split have allowed the US to become the economic powerhouse it has been through the 20th century? Would our culture be affected?

Too much to think about. But for the purposes of this thread, ignore it all, hehe. Just think if you were living back in 1862.

[Boris Godunov]

Well, supposing the South won, I think maybe Kaiser Bill might have actually gone through with his plans to invade America, perhaps enlisting one side as an ally against the other? Well, maybe not...

I think had the U.S. not entered WWI, Germany would have pulled out a favorable peace. After Brest-Livotsk (sp?), Germany's hopes of winning were still good. It was ultimately U.S. intervention that tipped the scales.

From then on, things will change a bit, but I see no rise of Hitler (after all, the anger over Versailles and its repercussions was his catapult to power), and that Germany may have assumed the role of superpower against the Soviets that the U.S. held for the century.

[orange]

the north. Without opening up the doors for a 10 page battle with David Floyd, I don't feel the South's secession was right.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by orange
the north. Without opening up the doors for a 10 page battle with David Floyd, I don't feel the South's secession was right.

Haven't seen DF around at all lately, though. You could be safe.

[Imran Siddiqui]

No... we are ALL safe .

[Tuberski]

DF went to Dallas for some reason about a week ago, and hasn't been heard from.

[Boris Godunov]

Uh-oh. Search and rescue party needed?

[Ned]

The Union forever! 'Nuf said.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Get the chopper!

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Get the chopper!

I dunno...if it's a government chopper, DF might consider that some sort of government-sponsored welfare program, and no doubt he would object...

[General Ludd]

Just paint it black and chase him back.