Are homosexuals near extinction?

[H Tower]

you got that off a newsgroup? so basically just about anyone with a computer could type up that crap and post it, and none of it would be real. didn't you read the thread that contained the onion article about the incredible error that was discovered on a brady bunch fan site?

[blackice]

[TCO]

ice, I had looked at that exact page. I'm looking for peer-reviewed sicence. Not essays about somebodies experience. (There might be something in the first 2 refs. would have to check them. but overall pretty thin...)

[TCO]

Has anybody ever done a twin study on homosexuality?

[blackice]

Well then direct us to some substance I am up for some reading. I have read most of the above information, what do you have?

[Asher]

The answer to this thread title is no, and obviously anyone who could make such a statement has never been to San Francisco, Austin, or Toronto.

Why do we have to research homosexuality? What's the point?

It's there, it doesn't hurt anyone, just let it be. Don't fund research into why it exists, spend that money curing cancer or something.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by GP
Has anybody ever done a twin study on homosexuality?

When I used to have a stronger belief in the genetic theory, I did my own research report on sexual orientation development.
Here is part of my report on twin studies:


"Another different theory developed in the 1980s was formulated by Richard Pillard and James Weinrich. They wanted to determine if homosexuality clustered in families (LeVay, 174-177). Are siblings of gays or lesbians more likely themselves to be gay or lesbian than siblings of heterosexuals? From one study, it was found that among brothers of heterosexual men, about 4% were homosexuals or bisexual. Among brothers of gay men, about 22% were homosexual or bisexual. From four separate studies, it was found that among the sisters of heterosexual women, 0% to 11% were lesbian or bisexual. With sisters of lesbians, 5% to 25% were lesbian or bisexual.

However, the observation that homosexuality is familial is not in itself proof of genetic influence on sexual orientation since there could be many environmental mechanics involved. Pillard and others performed studies on twins. These studies came up with concordance rates for homosexuality in monozygotic2 twins that are much higher than in dizygotic3 twins. In one study, 52% of monozygotic co-twins of gay men were themselves gay, while only 22% of dizygotic twins were gay. For lesbians about 48% for monozygotic siblings and only 16% for dizygotic siblings. To account for the possibility of gay or lesbian co-twins who would readily participate in these studies, Michael Bailey and his colleagues set a broad range between 30% and 75% for both men and women who would be gay or lesbian. Another weakness with these studies is that one has to consider non-genetic factors influencing sexual orientation. However, these studies offer substantial evidence that there is genetic influence."
END OF MRFUN'S REPORT

This is only a brief touch on this -- whole books have been written on this one particular theory, of course.
But now, I no longer have as strong a belief in the genetic theory anymore.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Asher
The answer to this thread title is no, and obviously anyone who could make such a statement has never been to San Francisco, Austin, or Toronto.

Why do we have to research homosexuality? What's the point?

It's there, it doesn't hurt anyone, just let it be. Don't fund research into why it exists, spend that money curing cancer or something.

Knowlege is power -- once heterosexuals understand how they become straight, and when we understand how others become gay or bisexual, it could trigger even more cultural change in the direction of seeing all sexual orientations as legitimate.

[Asher]

Originally posted by MrFun
Knowlege is power -- once heterosexuals understand how they become straight, and when we understand how others become gay or bisexual, it could trigger even more cultural change in the direction of seeing all sexual orientations as legitimate.

Errrr...yeah, I don't believe that.

Homophobes will be homophobes regardless of what the medical and scientific community says.

All this "where does homosexuality come from" seems like a total and complete waste of time and money to me. Nobody should care, actually.

[MrFun]

Asher -- after taking Argumentation and Debate course, I learn that argumentation is a legitimate way in an attempt to change people's viewpoints and opinions through information and persuasion.

It's possible to change people's viewpoints.


GP: Did you get the information that I posted in response to your request? That is probably too brief -- you'll probably want to expand your inquiry from there.

[TCO]

mind.org link was useless. More fluff not relevant to my question.

academic link not directly relevant but has some tangential relevance. REading through it now.

Would love to get doc strange's take on it.

[Asher]

Originally posted by MrFun
Asher -- after taking Argumentation and Debate course, I learn that argumentation is a legitimate way in an attempt to change people's viewpoints and opinions through information and persuasion.

It's possible to change people's viewpoints.

It would be if everyone in society was rational and debating about it accordingly.

But society's not like that. Society has intolerant hicks who would call any study claiming homosexuality is normal to be politically correct propaganda, and would only use the information of the "cause" of homosexuality as part of a campaign to "cure" people of their homosexuality.

It's useless information that won't change a thing and can do more harm than good, as far as I'm concerned.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by GP
mind.org link was useless. More fluff not relevant to my question.

academic link not directly relevant but has some tangential relevance. REading through it now.

Would love to get doc strange's take on it.

Reading through what?? What I provided??

[TCO]

Originally posted by blackice
Well then direct us to some substance I am up for some reading. I have read most of the above information, what do you have?

I wan't beiong rhetorical. Was an honest question. I would need to go to a library and do a lit search.

[MrFun]

you're welcome, GP