The Sensible Majority Believe US And Europe Need To Work Together

[Ned]

I see a lot of anti-American cr*p in this forum. There is very little anti-anything else cr*p. (Save for Israel.)

I think this speaks volumes. Blair is entirely correct in his analysis.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
They aren't doing a very good job at it (just look at the economic crises, terracts, anthrax, enron scandal, election fraud, republicans, etc)

Just look at (continental) Europe (assassinations, political turmoil, the rise of Neo-nazism, granting human rights to cows, terracts, scandals, etc.)

[Solly]

Dinodoc - please make that continental Europe...

[DinoDoc]

You are correct, Bod. I should have made that distinction. I apologize.

[Paul Hanson]

For once I agree with Blair. And he's right: there is a certain element of jealousy when it comes to the US. And why shouldn't there be? America whoops Europe's ass in pretty much every department (although the gap isn't quite as wide as you might think).

Having said this, it would be nice if the Americans would stop rubbing our faces in their superiority every 5 minutes.

[Saint Marcus]

The growing need for a large source of non-Arabian oil.

the biggest source of non-Arabian oil lies in Kazakstan, not Russia.

Dinodoc - please make that continental Europe...

neo-nazism is also on a rise in Britain, just look at the Labour party.

[Arrian]

Paul,

I think that was Blair's point about politicians on both sides of the Atlantic. His issue with US politicians, IIRC from the article, was that some of them "don't take Europe seriously" or something like that. Translation: quit being arrogant bastards.

Clearly it would be a good thing for both sides if the EU and US made more of an effort to cooperate with one another. This includes handling disagreements as amicably as possible. It's one thing to disagree. It's another to lob accusations at each other.

I'm fairly certain the "don't make us choose" bit refers to Iraq.

-Arrian

[ZoboZeWarrior]

EU jaleous of USA ? Maybe... But not only. We have serious concern about our ally !

USA is more and more threatening economicaly EU.

[Bereta_Eder]

Back at Poly 'cause it feels so empty without me

face it. US and the EU are drifting apart.

I am in the process of offering a hot chocolate to one of the palestinian national liberation freedom fighters.

the UK is standing in the middle of the road. Whoever stands in the middle of the road gets crushed by a truck.

[Solly]

USA is more and more threatening economicaly EU.

Only because the EU isn't treating the US with the respect it deserves. Hopefully Blair will sort the EU wrt this.

[Bereta_Eder]

and jealous of what?
of your medical system? both US and UK suck at it.

of your laws? the death penalty?

of your quality of life? the thousands of homeless?

of your culture? mc donald's chips and fries hollywood crap and balir superstar?

get real.

[Bereta_Eder]

BTW

UK has no voice in the EU.

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Originally posted by DinoDoc


Just look at (continental) Europe (assassinations, political turmoil, the rise of Neo-nazism, granting human rights to cows, terracts, scandals, etc.)

Continental ?
Britain isn't the land of angels.

And USA didn't have to each us anything about morality.
President assassination, scandals, Human rights, terracts exists too in USA.

[Bereta_Eder]

plus all americans are now a bunch of frightened dogs because of imminent terracts. same in the UK in a short while

[Roland]

Well US superiority is limited to a few fields. But yes, as a rule:

1. if you are superior, thou shalt not blah on and on about how great you are and how much everyone else sucks

2. if you are not superior, thou shalt not blah on and on about how great you are and how much everyone else sucks

As an example for rule 2, America inc. has been bombarding about how great your financial system is. One enron, one Ebbers and several other "incidents" later, there still is the same blah, although more muted and with some *cough* dissent.
Now I can understand why antiamerican noises hit some nerves on your side of the pond, but most of you haven't witnessed the crap we've been exposed to from your side, roughly since the end of the cold war and the collapse of the japanese economic miracle - guess for lack of other proper comparisons for your #1-ism.

Antiamericanism was pretty much the reserve of the wild left and the very extreme right. It has become very fashinable recently, and I do not think that the bulk of the blame for this is with any substantial change in Europe, but rather in America. I'd also point out that the major newspapers usually do not run "fascist americans" op-eds, while eg the Washington Post does not hesitate to bring a "antisemitic europe" op-ed, and similar things in the NYT....

As for Colin Powell or our own Chris## here - "I feel your pain".