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  • #46
    Originally posted by chegitz guevara
    How about an international plebicite on the status of Kashmir. Let the Kashmiris decide of which country they wish to be part or for indpendence (which is what all three occupiers fear)?
    Better to leave it with one of them. Or to divide it among them. It is landlocked wasteland. Those don't do well as independant states...

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    • #47
      Oh, btw what are the 3 claimants? Anybody have a map of the region?

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      • #48
        But it's mineral rich, and the central valley is quite pleasant when things aren't exploding, I'm led to believe.


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        • #49
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          • #50
            Should a war start, who will the US back? India has been a long time ally, but since sept.11th Bush has gotten very cozy with Musharaf.


            Say what? India a long time ally? During the entire Cold War, Pakistan has been the US's close ally in the region.

            How about an international plebicite on the status of Kashmir. Let the Kashmiris decide of which country they wish to be part or for indpendence (which is what all three occupiers fear)?


            Pakistan would probably love a plebicite, and India would hate it. Seeing as the majority of Jammu and Kashmir are Muslims, there would seem to be more support to be integrated into Pakistan than India.
            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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            • #51
              I think that if a plebicite was held (ha!) most would opt for independence.
              "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

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              • #52
                And then you'd have a three-way war b/t India, Kashmir and Pakistan. Things are barely stable now, but a plebscite could easily lead to a war.
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                • #53
                  Who here is in favor of self-determination? Let the people of Kashmir vote. Let the US back up that vote with the US Army if necessary.
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                  • #54
                    India promised the U.N. that it would hold a plebicite but it never has done so.
                    The ways of Man are passing strange, he buys his freedom and he counts his change.
                    Then he lets the wind his days arrange and he calls the tide his master.

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                    • #55
                      Who here is in favor of self-determination? Let the people of Kashmir vote. Let the US back up that vote with the US Army if necessary.
                      And while we're at it, do the same in Palestina.
                      Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Saint Marcus


                        And while we're at it, do the same in Palestina.
                        Unless you have something up your sleeve, I agree. Ned
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                        • #57
                          Give it to China. That way, India and Pakistan will stand united to kick the Chinese out of south asia.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Ned
                            Who here is in favor of self-determination? Let the people of Kashmir vote. Let the US back up that vote with the US Army if necessary.
                            So the US can get its ass shot at in Kashmir too? Just what we need, another example of America's imperialism. And we can piss off the Hindus while were at it, get two of the worlds religions against us!
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                            • #59
                              At least we'd bring the Hindus and Muslims together.
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                              • #60
                                When in doubt, self-determination is always the best policy.
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