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Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Right, yet this is "good for society"?
No, I didn't say that. I think porn is bad.
(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
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Originally posted by Dom Pedro II
We all have urges that need to be satisfied, and if it is objectifying women with pictures and videos, it is still objectifying them if we imagine them in our heads. Only in our heads, they have not been filmed or photographed some place else... and why shouldn't they be if they consent to it?
You're objectifying women because you have been watching porn, which makes you think it's an alright thing to do. You have been desensitised to women being sexual objects.
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(='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
(")_(") "Starting the fire from within."
I agree. And by that same token, women who watch porn are objectifying men.
Dave
"Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movements and pray that our own inner being may be sensitive to its guidance, for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us." --MLK Jr.
I'm sorry, but humans are intrinsically sexual beings. There's nothing unnatural about a naked women, or watching people have sex, providing that they've given their consent for those pictures, or video, or whatever, to be taken. No-one's being made an "object" of, no-one is being exploited, and if you're offended by it, then just don't ****ing read it!
Originally posted by DetroitDave
I agree. And by that same token, women who watch porn are objectifying men.
Dave
Probably not, since the roles of women and men in porography are not reversable. Men, big, hairy, out to conquer (sounds like Urg the caveman ), and women are the ones to be conquered.
(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
(='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
(")_(") "Starting the fire from within."
I don't think that I have found objectifying women as acceptable at all... I see guys in the hallways groping girls, and it makes me absolutely sick. I, in fact, am entirely opposed to felettio because I see it as a woman "servicing" a man, and I don't like it. I would never insist that my girlfriend does it, and I don't like it that other guys do. I have had friends who have wanted to get girls drunk so they could do that... THAT is exploitation. THAT is objectifying women.
But I submit my earlier statement : How is mentally visualizing women or even seeing a woman who is beautiful or "hot" and being attracted to her any different than watching porno?
Dom Pedro II - 2nd and last Emperor of the Empire of Brazil (1831 - 1889).
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Probably not, since the roles of women and men in porography are not reversable.
Really? Since when? Im sure there's plenty of porn out depicting dominatrices enslaving men and the like. And what about men's gay porn? Does that entail an intrinsically exploitative relation? Im not putting you on. Im curious to know
Dave
"Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movements and pray that our own inner being may be sensitive to its guidance, for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us." --MLK Jr.
All kinds of porn objectify both men and women. Since men watch more porn, there is more female objectification. That's what porn is supposed to be. Just plain sex, not romance, not a relationship, just doing the NASTY!
Plus, advertising objectifies women a lot more than porn. Where's the outcry towards advertising?
Really? Since when? Im sure there's plenty of porn out depicting dominatrices enslaving men and the like. And what about men's gay porn? Does that entail an intrinsically exploitative relation? Im not putting you on. Im curious to know
Sava, this is my point. Watching sex doesn't make you objectify women. Sava is right as well because advertising DOES objectify women (and men) as well.
If we do away with porn, we have to do away with Britney Spears and every other female sex object in the entertainment world. In fact, if we were to do this on the basis of principle, we'd have to have all women entirely clothed so that we are not enticed by only their physical appearance... hmm, that sounds strangely familiar... like another society that I can't quite put my finger on....
Dom Pedro II - 2nd and last Emperor of the Empire of Brazil (1831 - 1889).
I truly believe that America is the world's second chance. I only hope we get a third...
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