what did european countries do in WW2?

[DarkCloud]

Originally posted by faded glory
no hitler was going to attack Yugo/greece anyway. Kesselring warned him about RAF intervention from Yugoslavia.

oh and about Italy, I was trolling

Italy never beat anyone in ww2

If italy had been successful in their invasion of Greece, Hitler could have invaded Russia sooner. Germany wouldn't be needed to fight in Greece.

[faded glory]

Originally posted by DarkCloud


If italy had been successful in their invasion of Greece, Hitler could have invaded Russia sooner. Germany wouldn't be needed to fight in Greece.

That is true, but Hitler's troops were set up and ready to kick ass on the border for 3 weeks prior to barbarossa. So, that arguement doesnt really hold water. He could of attacked earlier...but didnt think the winter would have been an issue.

And the Russians didnt really get the upperhand till 43'. 41 was a disaster, 42 was mostly a disaster, except stalingrad, and 43 the germans were still kickin ass in Khar'kov Salient. They fumbled at kursk.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
At the time of the bombing, the Germans were pinned down in three main areas. (Afsluitdijk, Rotterdam, Utrecht I believe). A german paratroop operation in the west of Holland resulted in a familiar for the germans and the paras were pinned down as well (there goal was to take The Hague, but failed miserably).

Sorry, the Germans were never "pinned down" in the Netherlands. They halted for a day or so at one point to consolidate their advances and to allow the troops in the south time to turn towards Belgium. Let's face it, once they were at the gates of Rotterdam they pretty much had the whole country.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Suffering is listening to a German complain about the suffering they underwent in WWII.

Unless you're about to stipulate that every German civilian was complicit in the war crimes of the Nazis, then you'd have hard time justifying that the suffering of innocent civilians--whatever their nationality--during a war created by their politicians and generals is somehow qualitatively different from anyone elses. This is a surprisingly ignorant statement.

[Dom Pedro II]

Boris, that's absolutely right.

For example, my teacher was saying how we were justified in flattening Dresden because the Germans were the "bad guys". Same thing with Japan and the atom bomb. And it didn't matter because we ended up giving Germany and Japan lots of money after the war. I, of course, casually pointed out to him that any amount of foreign aid isn't going to help the guy and his family who were incinerated when the shockwave ripped through their house.

To All, face it, war on civilians is murder and killing another country's innocents for the death of your own is NEVER justified.

Furthermore, it kind of pisses me off with the slight hint of pretentiousness with which SOME people say that the Germans just rolled over the Low Countries and other regions. Just because their smaller and don't have very powerful militaries doesn't mean they should be looked down upon. There's nothing wrong with choosing to be peaceful. BTW, Strangelove, this isn't directed toward you and your last post...

[Boris Godunov]

Some people say we were justified at Dresden because the German troops had been killing civilians first. I always look at people who say that funny and ask, "then how does that in any way make us the good guys?"

[Dom Pedro II]

There are those days when I think America went into that war probably as decent as any nation up to that point could have been and came out worse than the people they had just beat.

[Boris Godunov]

I think a small nation with no means to militarily fend off the assault of a huge invading army has every right to acquiesce in order to protect the lives of its civilians. Hopefully they will resist under occupation in any way they can, though, rather than collaborating.

That being said, remember that in 1940 nobody had any idea what Hitler was going to do in terms of the Holocaust, so the full magnitude of occupation wasn't readily apparent. There was still a fairly pre-20th century mentality at work here.

[Tingkai]

Re: what did european countries do in WW2?

Originally posted by paiktis22
ok so we know about Russia
we know about britain
we know about the US (not european yes thank you)
we know (or I know) about Greece
Serbia yes
Italy
France yes
what did the other european countries did?
did they put up any fight?

I seem to recall the Germans did something during WWII.

[Dom Pedro II]

I think that was a given.

[alva]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Akka le Vil






Holland : tried to fight, but was caught by surprise and crushed.]
no , you all suddenly became German ( belgium joke ok )

Belgium : fought with determination. Though, the king capitulated some times after the country has been conquered, ordering to his 500 000 soldiers to surrender (this made him appear like a traitor among his own population, and he was then forced to abdicate after the war).

we hold them fot about 15 days, they(germans) expexted to go through here in about 2 to 3 days

as for the king, the nation was divided over this and we almost when to somekind of revolt( civil war). the north against the south

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[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by GP


Oh, we inflicted plenty of suffering on them. And they inflicted usffering on each other too...

It's okay; it's just that my 2nd favourite Eurotroll didn't bite on this one.

[TCO]

Your favorite is the little hairy Turkish tube steak?

[KrazyHorse]

Yup. The one with "more nicknames than Harry Belafonte".

[our_man]

Ireland was neutral during the 2nd World War, or "The Emergency" as it is sometimes reffered to by historians over here. Churchill made some overtures to Ireland about giving back the North if Ireland joined in on the Allied side, but de Valera didn't take the bait. Dublin was bombed a few times by German forces who had mistaken it for Belfast, the worst incident on the North Strand leaving 41 people dead.

Subscribing to the old Fenian dictum, "Englands difficulty is Irelands oppurtunity", there was an initial upsurge in IRA activity in Britain until the Irish government started a policy of internment of IRA suspects. Throughout the war, Ireland, although neutral remained sympathetic to the Allied cause, interning German airmen shot down, but allowing British pilots back across the borders. Large numbers of Irishmen volunteered to serve in the British army against the Nazi threat. De Valera did make a terrible faux pas at the end of the war though when he signed the book of condolences at the German Embassy for Hitler's death.

An interesting fact is that one of the most prominent members of Goebbels propaganda machine was an Irishman by the name of William Joyce. He specialized in anti-British propaganda and became known as Lord Haw-Haw for his polished accent. The British got hold of him at the end of the war and hanged him for treason, which was strange, since he wasn't even British.