what did european countries do in WW2?

[Ecthy]

What a lame accusation, it's always the same bullshit... I'm talking about suffering from bombardments... I won't even try to deny they were all denying what was going on around them... I'm talking about suffering, my friend

[KrazyHorse]

Suffering is listening to a German complain about the suffering they underwent in WWII.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

Again: Guernica. 30 000 dead, IIRC.

But I thought Guernica had not even 10000 inhabitants? Don´t get me wrong, every victim is one too much, but I can´t find exact numbers, not in my books, not on the web. From where do you have those 30000?

[BeBMan]

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[Oldenbarnevelt]

3rd ed. of Hugh Thomas, The Spanish Civil War, about the bombing of Guernica on April 26, 1937: "The number of persons killed is extremely difficult to establish. Estimates vary from 1,600 to 100. (...) Perhaps 1,000 died."

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[KrazyHorse]

Checked. You're right.

30 000 might be Rotterdam, but you probably shouldn't take my word on it.

Glad I included an IIRC.

[Oldenbarnevelt]

Rotterdam was 700, IIRC.

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[Oldenbarnevelt]

Bombing of Rotterdam, May 14, 1940 (source: the Dutch WW II standard work by Dr Lou de Jong, III, p. 366):

"Official" number of victims (1940 and later): 814.

In 1969 the journalist Ad Wagenaar put the number somewhere between 600 and 900.

The 30,000 estimate was widespread and clung to people's memories, especially abroad. This was because the extent of the destruction made it hard to imagine that "only" hundreds of people had died.

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[Sprayber]

Chiune Sugihara

This man isn't European, but he was busy doing something that few others were doing in that era. Saving lives. And he did it in Europe.

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/sugihara.html

[Paul Hanson]

The bombing of Rotterdam caused more in the way of physical damage than destruction of life, and it was the centre of the city that was hardest hit. My grandfather lived in the suburbs and can remember feeling quite safe watching the bombing from the top of a building.

[VetLegion]

ok, about croatia

when germans invaded yugoslavia crumbled... the strength of the resistance (almost none) tells a lot about how people felt about that country. I think also with russia, they didnt resist too much and in ukraine germans were greeted like saviours... not for long though.

first partisan squad in yugoslavia (or perhaps in the europe? I dont remember well it was long time ago) was founded in croatian city of Sisak, 22. 6. 1941, and today we celebrate it as day of antifascihtic struggle

soon many oppresed people joined it and it really became a large movement. the fight in yugoslavia was fierce and bloody and centered mostly around communists and Tito.

we surely kicked german ass italian ass and our own colaborationist ass

[Ecthy]

KH - how would the suffering of a German civilian be less serious than that of a British one?

[TCO]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Suffering is listening to a German complain about the suffering they underwent in WWII.

Oh, we inflicted plenty of suffering on them. And they inflicted usffering on each other too...

[TCO]

Originally posted by Snapcase
I'm not a big fan of the policy, Hansson nor of the Swedish Model (pseudo-fascist nonsense), but I'm just trying to report the situation. Perhaps you should stop being sarcastic when the author isn't pursuing an agenda?

Shnappie, sometimes you can be quite insightful. Even though I'm about 10 miles right of you, have to say this...

[Ecthy]

Now was THAT sarcastic, GP?