This is just the first time in my life I'm drinking without company... at home, alone

[*End Is Forever*]

Asher = Herman

[notyoueither]

100-nil

[Monk]

Virtually nobody around me objects if I choose to consume 35 units of alcohol during a party and a trip to town, but as soon as people find out I'm having a couple drinks alone, they regard me as a person taking his first steps towards alcoholism. It's actually a little bit ridiculous when one thinks about it.

Now - Ecthelion - if you can't get it out of your head, keep your skin clean, get some sun, buy some cool clothes, get your hair cut, get yourself together, seek out some 17-year-old cutie on ICQ, do some online-flirting, invite her over when you can be alone and get the ritual over with. But the important thing is that Ecthelion you're a virgin because you're acting like the biggest loser in Germany. Your current status regarding your social and sexual relations is a result of you not doing what you have to do -as a matter of fact, I have an ackward feeling you're not doing anything at all.

On another note, I cannot stress enough that your virginity is absolutely and completely irrelevant, especially considering the fact that your first intercourse will be the same boring experience that mine was, nothing even remotely special because 90% of girls/women our age (18-19) aren't sexually aware to the point where they'd be able to give you more pleasure than you'd otherwise enjoy from masturbation.

[notyoueither]

That's too truthfully funny.

[Bereta_Eder]

true nothing special about two virgins trying to "get it on"

in retrospective it's damn funny

[Kropotkin]

Yeah, the sex bit might seem frustrating at the moment but you're hardly the first 18-year old with that problem. At least 1/3 of the boys in your age group are having the same "problem". Most of them lying about it because. Sure, myself wasn't a virgin at 18 but that didn't mean I had a sexlife so if you ignore the techinicality about virginity there's more still in your situation. In that regard it's nothing wrong with you, you're perfectly normal.

[Ecthy]

Asher = Herman is true regarding my ignore list *evil*

My skin is clean, I get sun, I wear... normal clothes (cool clothes are silly, I'd rather be a virgin than preppy ), my hair is short, 17-year-olds can't be found on ICQ for the minimum age for searching is 18, and as for the rest...:

It's true I'm not doing a lot to change my situation. The first to guess the reason wins a prize.

[Kropotkin]

What kind of prize can I get from a german? A one-way ticket to Birkenau perhaps

[Ecthy]

don't be silly...

[Kropotkin]

Can't do anything about it, it's my nature. Possibly that's the answer to you. You don't wanna change since it's nothing wrong with you but the world around you.

[Ecthy]

nope, that's not it... next

the point is, I have no idea where to start. for example, in all my class, or even age group at school, there's hardly anyone one could go out with on evenings... and getting to know people outside of schoo is pretty hard if you're not in any club... or political party, as Strangelove suggested

[Monk]

I don't have a clue why you wouldn't want to do anything if you're desperate enough to pull this thread off. Just realize that your situation can be changed easily through the use of various methods and acting, so it really is nobody's fault but your own if you're not getting what you want. I'm sure this all sounds very patronizing, but that really isn't the intent... I haven't found the meaning of life any more than the next guy. I do, however, know how the vast majority of teenage girls think which is also the reason I really don't bother with them.

[Gibsie]

Originally posted by *End Is Forever*
Asher = Herman

Should Ecthelion = Herman the German?

[Ecthy]

Monk - the matter is not whether or not you've found the meaning of life, but whether you're trying to find it or not. I have found most of the people around me have never done any of the thinking I do, about how stuff works in life, or the world... so I take it all I have to do is turn into another simple person (Kindermensch as Hesse called them haven't read Siddharta in English though ), but that can't be it, there must be a better way to it...

oh, and an example for you guys who say it's so easy to get to talk to a girl etc.: why is it girls keep looking away from me intentionally when I try and catch their look. I mean this is not something paranid, they realize I'm there, then look away. As in "go away, perv!". every single one.

[Kropotkin]

having read my share and more of Hesse et al. I think I know what you're talking about. It's not just about meeting people, it's about meeting the right people.