Did the Axis have any chance at all in WWII?

[KrazyHorse]

I know about the Tanaka Plan from the WWII USArmy propaganda films I own...

The most memorable quote in them was when they referred to the Japanese as "bandy-legged Nips".

[orange]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

Yes, one of many very, very odd sexual fantasies Hitler had

Actually, he was apparently a bit of a prude. He shared that and his anti-semitism with Canada's WWII leader. Might have been why they got along famously when they met in '36 or '37.

Prude in what sense? He got off on his niece's urination...

[KrazyHorse]

Did he? I meant more like in the repressed sense...

[Imran Siddiqui]

Prude in what sense?

He wasn't into sex. His relationship with Eva Braun was apparently a sexless one.

[orange]

yeah, but his idea of sexual pleasure deviated a lot from what the normal guy's idea of sexual pleasure is...

futher proof the guy was off his nut, if the whole German superiority death to jews thing doesn't convince you

[Imran Siddiqui]

futher proof the guy was off his nut, if the whole German superiority death to jews thing doesn't convince you

That was a sexual fantasy too?

[KrazyHorse]

Canada's PM (RT. Hon. William Lyon Mackenzie King) was also into the occult, and apparently talked to his dead mother and dog...

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I know about the Tanaka Plan from the WWII USArmy propaganda films I own...

The most memorable quote in them was when they referred to the Japanese as "bandy-legged Nips".

Many of the Japanese Imperial Army's officers actually were bandy-legged. Kids were taken from home at age ten and subjected to a grueling training that included starvation right at the time that their bodies most needed nutrition to grow. Japanese officers tended to be on the average significantly shorter than their enlisted men, and many of them even had rickets of malnutrition.

[Ethelred]

Re: Ethelred

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
You don't need that much shipping, as long as you can protect it. The distance is short enough that you can make multiple trips every day. Grab a beachhead with 25-30 000 troops, go back, get more...

I don't think it would have succeeded, but it was Hitler's best chance of getting across the Channel.

The point is the Luftwaffe was the protection. And the artillery as the invasion force was not going to have any. River barges on the English Channel meant they had to have good weather. 25-30,000 troops is a lot men and a lot of barges. The barges moved at less than five knots. They were going to need good weather just to get accross the channel once in the morning. After that the water gets rougher through out the day even in nicer water than the Channel.

They had no plans for a landing heavy stuff untill they took a port. With light troops only. No artillery and no tanks. Sea Lion was little more than a bluff.

[Jack_www]

I remember watching program on the History Channel about the plans that Japan and Germany had on taking over the world. Germany would push through Russia, into Asia, while Japan would go through China and would meet up with each other. Germany also wanted Japan to fight Russia as well, but Japan had a small conflict with Russia before WWII and were defeated, so they feared having another conflict with Russia, especially since Russia had much greator industrail compacity when comparred to Japan, so they signed a peace treaty with Russia. Japan actually wanted to bring Russia into the war on there side, but Germany did not want to. But I think that this would have been there best chance. Also Germany had a mutual defense pact with Japan, and they did not have to declare war on the US when US declared war on Japan, because Japan had attacked first, but Hittler decided to do this anyways. But with just Germany, Japan, and Italy against two industrail powers U.S and Russia, with Britain helping out and providing land bases close to Germany, they had no chance. Also Japan and Germany were never able to take the war to the US, and take out there industrail capacity, thus they could keep producing weapons non stop, while Germany and Japan's industry was being destroyed by bombing and thus their weapons output fell.

[KrazyHorse]

Japan had a small conflict with Russia before WWII and were defeated

When?

[orange]

Russo-Japanese war? That was a Japanese victory

[David James]

Hitler's goal, remember, was not so much world domination or even wiping out the Jews (shipping them to Madagascar would have been enough). What he wanted was Lebensraum in Eastern Europe and Russia. So anything that detracted from *that* goal is what one has to look at, and so Operation Barbarossa can hardly be called a mistake.

The biggest mistake was pointlessly invading Northern and Western Europe, especially with no plan to invade England. If he had had any brains he would have just spent 1940 building up his army and fortifying the Rhineland (the Siegfried Line). The British and French public would just have gotten bored with the war and Hitler would have been free to invade Russia in the East the following year (when he did). It's not like Britain and France were going to come to the aid of Communist Russia; Britain had in fact supplied weapons to Finland to help them fight Russia in the 1939-40 Winter War (as had Germany). Not invading Western Europe would have freed up more than enough personnel from garrison duty to allow a successful invasion whilst a heavily fortified Rhineland would deter any inclination the British and French would have had for attacking Germany. Also not getting tangled up sorting out the mess the Italians created in Southern Europe couldn't have hurt either.

But that's just my view...

[orange]

Originally posted by David James
Hitler's goal, remember, was not so much world domination or even wiping out the Jews (shipping them to Madagascar would have been enough). What he wanted was Lebensraum in Eastern Europe and Russia. So anything that detracted from *that* goal is what one has to look at, and so Operation Barbarossa can hardly be called a mistake.

The biggest mistake was pointlessly invading Northern and Western Europe, especially with no plan to invade England. If he had had any brains he would have just spent 1940 building up his army and fortifying the Rhineland (the Siegfried Line). The British and French public would just have gotten bored with the war and Hitler would have been free to invade Russia in the East the following year (when he did). It's not like Britain and France were going to come to the aid of Communist Russia; Britain had in fact supplied weapons to Finland to help them fight Russia in the 1939-40 Winter War (as had Germany). Not invading Western Europe would have freed up more than enough personnel from garrison duty to allow a successful invasion whilst a heavily fortified Rhineland would deter any inclination the British and French would have had for attacking Germany. Also not getting tangled up sorting out the mess the Italians created in Southern Europe couldn't have hurt either.

But that's just my view...

hmmm, not sure I follow this...

his easiest gains were in northern and western Europe. And barbarossa was possibly his greatest blunder of the war.

I think we've established that Germany could not have defeated England, at least, not taken it over with land forces...no chance.

[orange]

by the way who are you? did you do a name change? Dec 1969?