Latest Exploit of the Heroic Palestinians.

[Ecthy]

I don't see any connection between a peoples' right to an own state and some arseholes losing control over their minds and shooting not only innocents but more than that namely their children. They should be punished severely, so should the responsibles behind it. If Arafat is one of them, so should he. But that doesn't give a reason to destroy the necessary civilian infrastructure for creating a Palestinian state nor does it justify blind slaughter in camps full of civilians (or streets where terrorists are suspected within crowds).

So it's all about looking at the whole picture instead of painting black and white. Though I understand people like to paint in black and white. It must be a lot easier, especially when you have many that share your opinion based on that. But it doesn't work like that, and enlightened and sophisticated people just don't paint in black and white. So everyone think about sense and nonsense and realize the ministry fo reducation is not linked to terracts against children, and if they abuse that ministry for their structure, do something about it. Without destroying educaitonal data about schools and kindergartens. Me missing something important (generic rhetorical question)?

Ned - they joined before 10-02-1999, and instead of "b. 10-02-1999" it reads "Jan 1970" or "Dec 1969" nowadays, depending on your time zone. You'll find the internet wasn't quite in such a popular state back in '70

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I believe you might be referring to the old maxim that two wrongs don't make a right. I agree with that. The Palestinians cannot justify their crimes by pointing at the Israelis, and vice-versa.

Too bad other people don't feel this way.


I do think that your suggestion that the armed settlers are legit targets might create a problem for them. They are in a Catch 22.

They have to arm themselves because they are targeted.

But because they arm themselves they are considered targets.


Honestly folks, I wouldn't be raising my kids there and I wouldn't trust a Palastinenian to come within a mile of my kids either. Not there or not in Tel Aviv. Before you say that is racist, I just say look at the news.

I would move. Pride be damned, I don't want my kids in that enviroment.

[Eli]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
nor does it justify blind slaughter in camps full of civilians (or streets where terrorists are suspected within crowds).

Why dont you go and read the history of your country, instead of spewing blood libels?

[Ecthy]

You're a fat arselicker, Zlatkin

What does the middle east conflict have to do with the history of my country? Does Israel have such a bad conscious that you just don't listen to others anymore, especially not if you can cry out reproaches about "the past" and "the history"? If it has nothing to do with you being worked up about immoral acting of your country, then what exactly is the connection between the history of my country and this topic? And why is it you search other people's posts for single points that are well for making a reproach of inbstead of replying to the whole post? Maybe because you have no idea what to say and therefore just shout out accusations? That would be rather sad, so justify yourself.

[TCO]

Ned, Apolyton has several predecessor sites. One was the old ARPAnet BBS for military strategy discussions. I just migrated here when it was discontinued in 1997.

[Ecthy]

Yep, that must be it GP

[Eli]

Re: You're a fat arselicker, Zlatkin

Originally posted by Ecthelion
What does the middle east conflict have to do with the history of my country? Does Israel have such a bad conscious that you just don't listen to others anymore, especially not if you can cry out reproaches about "the past" and "the history"? If it has nothing to do with you being worked up about immoral acting of your country, then what exactly is the connection between the history of my country and this topic?

The connection is that if you had known your country's history you should've learned by now what blood libels lead to.

And why is it you search other people's posts for single points that are well for making a reproach of inbstead of replying to the whole post? Maybe because you have no idea what to say and therefore just shout out accusations? That would be rather sad, so justify yourself.

Umm...We're talking about you here. I never realized your posts had even a single point, not to mention numerous ones.

[Ecthy]

finished your homework already?

Now that made perfect sense. Go away now, I want to discuss these matters with sophisticated persons. Too bad there's only you and Americans here these days, but it shouldn't take too long until your friend returns and tells us army stories. Until then, you can polish my shoes.

(His point was "Your country has been bad in the past so stop telling me what is right. You're inferior because you have bad history." Therefore, Eli's pretty much a racist.)

[Eli]

Re: finished your homework already?

Originally posted by Ecthelion
(His point was "Your country has been bad in the past so stop telling me what is right. You're inferior because you have bad history." Therefore, Eli's pretty much a racist.)

Is there something wrong with your English Herr Vick?

"nor does it justify blind slaughter in camps full of civilians (or streets where terrorists are suspected within crowds). "

Or do you see any advice on how to stop the situation in this sentence? I hope you have time left before your English exams...

[Ecthy]

the white jacket for Ilya, please

[KrazyHorse]

I do think that your suggestion that the armed settlers are legit targets might create a problem for them. They are in a Catch 22.

They have to arm themselves because they are targeted.

But because they arm themselves they are considered targets

Maybe, but you move into a fortified compound in occupied territory and arm yourself, then you've volunteered yourself into what I'd consider a citizens' militia. If a settler doesn't want to volunteer for this then he shouldn't have volunteered to become part of an ongoing war crime. Settlers' unarmed families are still not valid military targets any more than the families of IDF members are, but like it or not the compound as a whole is. If they really cared about their kids then they wouldn't have decided to bring them to live in the barracks with them. That's just plain stupid.

And no, Imran, that doesn't mean it's okay to creep into their house and unload a few bullets into the wife and kids.

[Imran Siddiqui]

GP and Imran, I notice both of you have been members since 1969. How is this possible?

We've mastered time travel .

Yes, but it opens your side up to legalistic attacks as well.

Well yes, but I just couldn't resist the jab back .

After all, the victors assaults on the Geneva Convention are always covered up, so they hold no meaning.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
And no, Imran, that doesn't mean it's okay to creep into their house and unload a few bullets into the wife and kids.

He'll disagree with you.

[KrazyHorse]

I know. Just like Eli thinks that settlements are right and necessary, and that (to paraphrase him) the Arabs are lucky that Israel doesn't decide to annex all of Biblical Israel and fill it with their own seed.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Maybe, but you move into a fortified compound in occupied territory and arm yourself, then you've volunteered yourself into what I'd consider a citizens' militia. If a settler doesn't want to volunteer for this then he shouldn't have volunteered to become part of an ongoing war crime. Settlers' unarmed families are still not valid military targets any more than the families of IDF members are, but like it or not the compound as a whole is. If they really cared about their kids then they wouldn't have decided to bring them to live in the barracks with them. That's just plain stupid.

And no, Imran, that doesn't mean it's okay to creep into their house and unload a few bullets into the wife and kids.

Like I said. I wouldn't have my kids there to begin with. But the way things are going, they wouldn't too safe anywhere in Israel.