Am I a anti-semitist?

[ZoboZeWarrior]

[Dry]

Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior
Give Europa to Italian !

errr, can we wait until they get another government... please?

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Ave Berlusconi, Mortiti te salutam !

[Dry]

Panem et circenses.

[Eli]

Originally posted by Dry
Looks a little bit silly to me, but ethically, there is no reason to refuse it.

Exactly.

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Originally posted by Ethelred
Haven't clue. Ask ZoboZeWarrior he is French. I am from the same place as your profile says you are in. Southern California.

What the problem ?

France acknoweldge Israel. We acknoweldge the fact that jews have the right to have their own country.

We acknoweldge too that palestinian have the right to have a country too.

Its a consequence of being Froggy. They can't help it. Its the snails and frogs.

Froggy Good argument
Being Froggy is cool... What about being jerk ?

Personnaly I don't see the relation between french cook and Israel.

[Chris 62]

I have been watching the ebb and flow of this, and find some things unusaul, to say the least.
Friend Ethelred is an example of this, he continues on about how Israel has no right to exsist, but if we accept his logic, neither does Palestine.
Talk about a rub!

Originally posted by Ethelred
It says a national home. A nation is not the same as a nationality. A nation usually entails a state.

Nation: A people connected by blood ties, generaly manifested by community of language, religion, customs, ect...From Webster's English dictionary.

This is sited by Israelis as one of the legal excuses for the existance Israel. However the Declaration itself has no legal basis so it can't justify any action.

As Britain was in the process of taking the area from the Ottomans, their rightful and leagal owner, it certainly does have leagality.
Just because YOU don't accept it changes nothing.
It's also interesting to note that the Ottomans, a Muslim state, allowed Jewish immigration, whereas the British often blocked it.

Kind of like the Monroe Doctrine. The only justification is force.

Force is the bases of ALL agreements, it's the basis of real politik, otherwise things like the Kellog Briand pact would actually mean something.
If you don't understand this, you shouldn't discuss politics.

Actually the Jews bought a lot of land from Arabs. The Arab reaction was to the intent to form a Jewish state.

Your statement supports Isrel here.

False. Radical Zionists had intended to form the state of Israel for a long time before that. Israel was carved out of Palestine because some Jews thought they had a birthright from Jehovah to the land even after nearly 1800 years of seperation.

It might be interesting to look at why they wanted such a homeland.
Could thousands of years of opression almost everywhere in the world have played a part?

Emma Lazarus who wrote the poem on the Statue of Liberty appears to have been one those that created the idea in the mid 1880's.

The Zionist movement was given life through the rampent anti-semitism seen in Europe and the USA.

Like many anti-Israelis, you go on about how they have no leagal rights to the land, where is the leagal right that says they don't?
Who does?
It certainly isn't the Palestinians, they wern't even called that untill the 20th century.

The last legal rulers were, let's see....
That would be Israel, in the days before Rome took the place, so spare me the nonsense that they have no right to be there.

By your own logic, every arab there is an invader with no leagal rights.

That's why your argument doesn't hold water, and never will.

[Saint Marcus]

Actually I think it is because Israel reminds them of a colonizer. If there is one thing Commies hate more than globalization it is colonialism

funny that you say that, you're on of the few. And you're right.

[Ned]

Ethelred, just so we are all on the same page, below is a link to a US Army manual on the history of Palestine.

According to the Army manual, the Arabs rioted in Jerusalem in 1920, killing numbers of Jews. The riots were responsive to the election of Faysal as king of Syria which included the British mandate of Palestine. The rioters believed that the election of Faysal as king would end the Belfour declaration.

One Vladimir.Jabotinsky apparently was a Jewish hero in the defense against the rioters. He began to call for the formation of a Jewish state. However, the majority of the Jews of Palestine did not at that time agree. Later, after the Arab revolt of 1936, even they changed their views.

This is Army manual incorrect?

Ned
http://hem.passagen.se/gs/Palestine.htm#_Toc346295317[/url]]link

[Imran Siddiqui]

On Wilson being a racist, this is the first I have ever heard on that.

You are kidding?! The whitewashing of our Presidents' flaws are shocking. He was even more racist that TR, and that is saying something .

Wilson would have been at home in the ole' CSA.

[Boris Godunov]

Woodrow Wilson was an unbelievable bigot. He set back race relations in the USA 30 years, and to this day his effect is felt. Prior to his administration, blacks had been integrated into the federal government. He kicked them all out. He was a Virginian Democrat, which at the time was the legacy of Southern racism left over from the Civil War.

Wilson also, to this day, holds the record for a US president sending military expeditions abroad. He was constantly invading places (sent troops to eastern USSR to fight the Reds on behalf of the Whites). Congress finally, in a bipartisan manner, smacked him down and told him he had to stop.

[Natan]

Invited by the Mexicans. Then Mexico got nervous about all the rabble rousing rowdies that came from the US.

Invited by Mexico's military dictator, to be specific.

Not true. The fanatics had caused the problems in the 40's. Without the Brits interference since 1917 the problem would never have arisen.

"The problem" would never have arisen because the Jews would have stayed in Europe and been exterminated by the Nazis. With hindsight, we see that the Balfour declaration saved hundreds of thousands of people from being murdered.

The solution was not partitioning or forming a Jewish state. A democratic state made up of Arabs and Jews would have been the just action AFTER the mess the Brits created had to be dealt with.

I disagree. Firstly, both parties opposed the idea thoroughly. Secondly, the history of multi-ethnic states forged out of warring parties is not a happy one. If Czechs and Slovaks couldn't stick together except under the Soviet jackboot, I doubt Israelis and Palestinians could set aside twenty years of low-level warfare and fifty years of nationalism to create a democratic state.

They were expelling Jews because the Jews wanted to create a Jewish state in a area the was even then still primarlily Arab.

And the Jews were expelling Arabs because the Arabs wanted to create an Arab state even in areas primarily Jewish.

I suppose that make the Brits the bad guys in this instance. Rubbish. Menachim Begin was a terrorist not much different then the IRA or Hamas. He killed people to create a Jewish state that was unjustifiable. Heck he killed people that helped make Israel possible.

Do not pretend that a warning is justification for the deaths that followed the acts of terrorists.

You are defining them as terrorists because you disagree with their goals, even though the attack was on a military target and a warning was given beforehand to prevent both civillian and military casualties. In short, people who disagree with you are terrorists. That definition someone detracts from the meaning of the term.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

On Wilson being a racist, this is the first I have ever heard on that.

You are kidding?! The whitewashing of our Presidents' flaws are shocking. He was even more racist that TR, and that is saying something .

Wilson would have been at home in the ole' CSA.

I guess I never heard of it because I went to Catholic schools, and as you may guess, they have (had?) a very pro-Democrat view of the world.

Obviously, any modern Democrat would be ashamed of that Wilson was a Democratic president.

Ned

[Imran Siddiqui]

Obviously, any modern Democrat would be ashamed of that Wilson was a Democratic president.

Not really. They should be, but some really aren't.

Hell, I think any modern American should be ashamed that Wilson was our President.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior
France acknoweldge Israel. We acknoweldge the fact that jews have the right to have their own country.

We acknoweldge too that palestinian have the right to have a country too.

Well actualy both of those are opinions not facts.

Froggy Good argument
Being Froggy is cool... What about being jerk ?

I wouldn't know. I leave that to others. However sometimes a joke is misinterpreted as being a jerk. Sometimes jerks hide by pretending to make jokes.

Personnaly I don't see the relation between french cook and Israel.

It wasn't intended to show a relation. Perhaps french cooking has effected Jewish cuisine in some way.