Am I a anti-semitist?

[Ned]

S.Kroeze, Regardless of labels, is it your position that the Jews of Palestine in 1947-8 had no right of self-determination -- that they had to accept Arab sovereignty imposed by armed force? How the two sides got into the position they found themselves in 1947-8 is largely irrelevant. If predecessor leaders or government's made "mistakes" that lead up to the circumstances as they then existed does not mean that it was a "mistake" to create Israel. By that time, the power to make decisions concerning "Israel" was no longer in the hands of Great Britain or the United Nations. It was in the hands of the Jews of Palestine themselves who chose not to live in an Islamic state. There was no "mistake."

It is time for all "Arabs" to accept Israel. The lack of acceptance leads to a guarantee of continued aggression. This is the very reason why Israel is wary of ceding all of the West Bank back to the Arabs. Arab aggression, virtually alone, is the obstacle to a permanent peace.

My attitude on this issue would be entirely different if the Arabs were peaceful and were not demanding the destruction of the state of Israel. But that is not where we are in this conflict.

Ned

[S. Kroeze]

Dear Ned,

I will try to show you how ridiculous your position is:

Ned, Regardless of labels, is it your position that the Arabs of Palestine in 1947-8 had no right of self-determination -- that they had to accept Zionist sovereignty imposed by armed force? How the two sides got into the position they found themselves in 1947-8 is largely irrelevant. If predecessor leaders or government's made "mistakes" that lead up to the circumstances as they then existed does not mean that it was a "mistake" to establish a independent Palestinian state. By that time, the power to make decisions concerning Palestine was no longer in the hands of Great Britain or the United Nations. It was in the hands of the Arabs of Palestine themselves who chose not to live in an secular European colony. There was no "mistake."

It is time for all Israelis and Zionist colonials to accept an independent Palestine. The lack of acceptance leads to a guarantee of continued aggression. This is the very reason why Palestine is wary of ceding all of Galilea, Sharon, Pleshet, Negev and Araba to the Zionists. Zionist aggression, virtually alone, is the obstacle to a permanent peace.

My attitude on this issue would be entirely different if the Zionists were peaceful and were not making impossible the foundation of an independent Palestine. But that is not where we are in this conflict.

It seems to me, you consider 'Arabs' to be some sort of animals, without human rights.
Most British and Zionists thought so too!

I could summarise your position in a few words: MIGHT is RIGHT!

When I have time, I hope to react in a more serious way.

Sincerely,

S.Kroeze

[Kropotkin]

(I'm starting to think that it would be nice if this thread died sometimes. After all I misspelled the title and it implies to everyone that don't care to read a long thread that I'm a uneducated anti-semite )

[Ecthy]

Well Kropotkin, it came close to a "Giancarlo-out-of-the-closet"

[Ethelred]

Well the thread will eventually get closed. The more you post the sooner it will nit 500 posts and then if anyone notices it will get closed.

Consider this one more on the way to your being rescued from the infamy of mispelling anti-semite.

[Kropotkin]

Thanks

I'm however afraid that my reputation at this site is forever scourched by that unfortunate incident.

[Ecthy]

The misspelling or the admission to being anti-semitic?

[Ned]

Originally posted by S. Kroeze
Dear Ned,

I will try to show you how ridiculous your position is:

Ned, Regardless of labels, is it your position that the Arabs of Palestine in 1947-8 had no right of self-determination -- that they had to accept Zionist sovereignty imposed by armed force? How the two sides got into the position they found themselves in 1947-8 is largely irrelevant. If predecessor leaders or government's made "mistakes" that lead up to the circumstances as they then existed does not mean that it was a "mistake" to establish a independent Palestinian state. By that time, the power to make decisions concerning Palestine was no longer in the hands of Great Britain or the United Nations. It was in the hands of the Arabs of Palestine themselves who chose not to live in an secular European colony. There was no "mistake."

It is time for all Israelis and Zionist colonials to accept an independent Palestine. The lack of acceptance leads to a guarantee of continued aggression. This is the very reason why Palestine is wary of ceding all of Galilea, Sharon, Pleshet, Negev and Araba to the Zionists. Zionist aggression, virtually alone, is the obstacle to a permanent peace.

My attitude on this issue would be entirely different if the Zionists were peaceful and were not making impossible the foundation of an independent Palestine. But that is not where we are in this conflict.

It seems to me, you consider 'Arabs' to be some sort of animals, without human rights.
Most British and Zionists thought so too!

I could summarise your position in a few words: MIGHT is RIGHT!

When I have time, I hope to react in a more serious way.

Sincerely,

S.Kroeze

S. Kroeze, Both houses of the U.S. Congress just voted to support Israel and to condemn Arafat. It looks like the whole of the United States, save for a few posters here on Apolyton, disagree with the view that supporting Israel is racist.

Israel never sought to impose Zionist rule on Palestinians. It has been under attack virtually since 1920 with interludes of peace.

From your statement, I can only guess that you would view the colonization of the New Worlds as a racist war against the Native Americans by the Europeans! My God, Kroeze, you have a real hatred of Europeans. This view distorts everything you say.

Ned

[Eli]

Originally posted by Kropotkin
(I'm starting to think that it would be nice if this thread died sometimes. After all I misspelled the title and it implies to everyone that don't care to read a long thread that I'm a uneducated anti-semite )

You also made a grammar mistake.

[Eli]

Originally posted by Ned
S. Kroeze, Both houses of the U.S. Congress just voted to support Israel and to condemn Arafat.

They are more Pro-Israeli than the Knesset.

[Eli]

Originally posted by S. Kroeze
Who guarantees that Israel will be a safe place for the Jewish people in the long term?

The Israeli Defense Forces.

[Ethelred]

What about my reputation? Lets see I am now:

A Nazi
An Anti-Semite
A liar
An idiot
A moron
A bleeeeep
A CENSORED

About the only thing I haven't been called is a Goy. Which I am but its not nice to call people that.

I did better argueing with Zylka and Faded Glory about Civ III.

[Ethelred]

They are more Pro-Israeli than the Knesset.

Well they do have more Jewish voters. Plus they have a bunch of wackos that hope this mess in the Middle East is the start of Armeggedon so they think they are helping bring about the Second Coming of Jesus.

[Natan]

Implying that your opponents are against you because you're not Jewish is a bit silly when the people insulting you aren't either. (might I add that you're a go. . . )

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Natan
Implying that your opponents are against you because you're not Jewish is a bit silly when the people insulting you aren't either. (might I add that you're a go. . . )

Well I didn't say that. In fact I chose not to point out that it is highly unlikely that Chris is a Jew considering the thoroughly christian name he has. I typed it up and then decided to leave it out.

I can see it now, Christopher Goldblum, Rabbi extraordinaire.

If you ever heard my fake New York Jewish accent god forbid you should call me a goy. I do some really good british accents too.