Ronald Reagan

[David Floyd]

Very bad for US and world, especially US with all his useless military spending.

Although his tax breaks were a step in the right direction, I'll give him that - still a liar though.

[Ned]

The best orator's I've ever heard are, in order, Hitler, Kennedy, Reagan and Blair.

However, the most moving speech I've ever listened to is Bush's speech to Congress the week after 9/11.

Ned

[nationalist]

How do you force them to stay?

I would make it more expensive for companies to export goods to the U.S. than it would be to make them in the U.S. I would do that through the most hated of all creations: the TARIFF!!! I know that taiffs have had a spotted history, but I think that they can be good.

And it would have the effect of keeping the poor nations poor. Sweatshops, for all their ills, help countries grow economically.

Could those countries use their sweatshops to develop products for consumption in their own countries?

Nike isn't beholden to one country.

I would argue that it is an American company. It is based in America.

And yes Americans (consumers) would benefit from other countries growing economically.

Yes, but I don't agree with the exploitation of their people to such a degree for us to get slightly cheaper shoes.

I don't think that we are going to agree on these topics.

[notyoueither]

"Good for America & World"... now if only he could have developed a better banana...

End of the cold war anyone? With the White Hats winning it?

"We begin bombing in 10 minutes..." Oh, was I on? Yep. Pretty damn good orator too.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I would make it more expensive for companies to export goods to the U.S. than it would be to make them in the U.S. I would do that through the most hated of all creations: the TARIFF!!! I know that taiffs have had a spotted history, but I think that they can be good.

By messing up supply and demand? By creating artifical equilibrium (well it would really be an equilibrium) and making American consumers suffer? Sorry, the US is a consumer state.

Could those countries use their sweatshops to develop products for consumption in their own countries?

You need initial capital for the creation of industries. American companies have more to spare... and since we've made them get with the free-trade deal, American companies have been able to easily go there. We can't raise tariffs and make third world nations not be able to.

I would argue that it is an American company. It is based in America.

Multi-National Corporation means that it isn't. And they would be subject to rules from Europe, Canada, Russia, etc. It is based in America because it is profitable for them to do so. You put repressive regulations on them and they move right to Canada or Europe.

Yes, but I don't agree with the exploitation of their people to such a degree for us to get slightly cheaper shoes.

They are getting paid much more than their fellow countrymen would. They are living the good life in their state.

I don't think that we are going to agree on these topics.

Never... I believe industrialized nations should be free-traders. England's unilateral dropping of tarriffs in the 1600s catapulted them to the #1 country in the world.

[DinoDoc]

I actually think that nationalist does have a small point. I believe that there are a few industries that do deserve protection due to the national security interests that they serve. Steel is one of them.

[Stefu]

Does this mean Americans are finally admitting they aren't part of the world?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Stefu
Does this mean Americans are finally admitting they aren't part of the world?

You mean that these rumors of there being a whole world out there isn't part of some government scare campaign?!?!

[Zkribbler]

THE GOOD:
1) Created more millionaires, faster, than at any time in U.S. history.

2) Re-armed the U.S. military.

3) Correctly labled the Soviet Union as an "Evil Empire" (although he later apologized to them for using this term.)

4) Restored a grandeur and can-do attitude to the White House.

5) Bombed Libya & put an end to their international terrorism.


THE BAD:
1) Greatest drop in the percentage of the middle class since the Great Depression.

2) Greatest one-day percentage drop in the stock market since the Great Depression.

3) Before Reagan there were a few bums and hoboes, but his economic and social polices gave rise to the term "homeless" with children making up most of the homeless.

4) Created more than twice public debt than all of the other U.S. Presidents up to that time combined! We're still paying of that debt today.

5) Launched a sneak attack on the nation of Greneda, which was the moral equivant of the Japanese sneak attack at Pearl Harbor.

6) Lied about trading guns for hostages as Col. Oliver North was subverting the Constitution in the basement of the White House.

7) Deregulated the airline industry, which led to numerous airline crashes do to shoddy maintenance.

8) Deregulated the banks & S&Ls leading to the S&L crisis. The losses from the Lincoln Savings fiasco alone exceeded the combined losses from all the bank robberies in U.S. history.

9) Came up with his looney star wars defense program--which squandered billions, which did not and could not work, and which, if it had been impliemented would have been part of a first-strike capibility which would have destablized the world.


THE UGLY:
1) Took advice from his wife who in turn was taking advice from an astrologer.

2) Claimed pollution was caused by trees.

3) Saw white males as the greatest victims of discrimination.

[notyoueither]

4) Created more than twice public debt than all of the other U.S. Presidents up to that time combined! We're still paying of that debt today.

Winning a War, hot or cold, takes money.

[nationalist]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I actually think that nationalist does have a small point. I believe that there are a few industries that do deserve protection due to the national security interests that they serve. Steel is one of them.

Yeah, national security is one of my main concerns. Bethleham steel ( the naiton's 3rd largest steel maker that recently filed chapter 11) supplied most of the military's steel. That steel will now come from foreign countries.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Winning a War, hot or cold, takes money.

True, but does it make sense when you're increasing spending to slash your income by giving staggering tax cuts to the ultra-wealthy?

[nationalist]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


True, but does it make sense when you're increasing spending to slash your income by giving staggering tax cuts to the ultra-wealthy?

LOL... That's Reaganomics!

[Imran Siddiqui]

True, but does it make sense when you're increasing spending to slash your income by giving staggering tax cuts to the ultra-wealthy?

Also had to drag the economy out of recession at the same time.

[notyoueither]

Yes, but you did not list the accomplishment under the positives.

Many Americans may find many faults with R Raygun. To some people outside the US (not all) he led the charge that ended the Cold War and the Soviet Union. Hense a pretty good guy on the whole from my perspective.

I'm surprised none of the Americans brought this up, I thought it would be seen as good by you too.