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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
freer trade has made things better for Americans.
freer trade has made things better for Americans.
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Tell that to the employees of Bethleham Steel. The benefits of gloabalization don't extend to the working class."The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is to have with them as little political connection as possible... It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world, so far as we are now at liberty to do it." George Washington- September 19, 1796 -
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sorry, no comparative advantage = get your ass out of the steel industry. I'm from PA, and even I say we've pumped enough wasted money into bailing out US steel. It's a lost cause, other nations can do it cheaper, lets do something else with our labor eh?Originally posted by nationalist
Tell that to the employees of Bethleham Steel. The benefits of gloabalization don't extend to the working class."Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez
"I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran SiddiquiComment
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Hey, I'm agreeing with orange in a Ronnie thread
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Exactly... if you aren't efficient in the industry, then you deserve to be destroyed. Unless you are against capitalism?
We should focus on the industries where we have the comparative advantage (ie, computer industry is a good example).“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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This isn't a comparative advantage argument. There is much more to it than that. The reason that other countries can do things cheaper is because they don't have to worry about environmental or labor laws. But, it does seem like a lost cause. I guess the working class can become waiters and cashiers working for minimum wage without unionization. The working class is screwed.Originally posted by orange
sorry, no comparative advantage = get your ass out of the steel industry. I'm from PA, and even I say we've pumped enough wasted money into bailing out US steel. It's a lost cause, other nations can do it cheaper, lets do something else with our labor eh?"The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is to have with them as little political connection as possible... It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world, so far as we are now at liberty to do it." George Washington- September 19, 1796Comment
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eh???? Since when does Europe NOT have environmental laws?Originally posted by nationalist
This isn't a comparative advantage argument. There is much more to it than that. The reason that other countries can do things cheaper is because they don't have to worry about environmental or labor laws.
"Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez
"I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran SiddiquiComment
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Yes, the working class is so screwed
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Put yourself in blinders, buddy. The American working class has benefited as well as the rich and middle classes in the last 25 years.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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I'm not against capitalism, but I'd rather see some form of state's capitalism. I'm anti free-trade, anti-NAFTA, anti-WTO, hence the name Nationalist.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Unless you are against capitalism?"The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is to have with them as little political connection as possible... It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world, so far as we are now at liberty to do it." George Washington- September 19, 1796Comment
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What do you know about the American working class? Tell me how they have benefitted. Enlighten me.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Yes, the working class is so screwed.
Put yourself in blinders, buddy. The American working class has benefited as well as the rich and middle classes in the last 25 years."The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is to have with them as little political connection as possible... It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world, so far as we are now at liberty to do it." George Washington- September 19, 1796Comment
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Didn't you know thatOriginally posted by orange
eh???? Since when does Europe NOT have environmental laws?
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I think he is speaking about the third world... but the US economy is moving away from those inefficient industies, as well it should.
I'm not against capitalism, but I'd rather see some form of state's capitalism. I'm anti free-trade, anti-NAFTA, anti-WTO, hence the name Nationalist.
You are against capitalism then. Capitalism is an international economic theory. In the beginning, it was postulated that trade was the engine of economic growth, and that it is. Capitalism cannot work well in autarky.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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Not referring to Europe. I'm referring to countries such as Thailand and Brazil.Originally posted by orange
eh???? Since when does Europe NOT have environmental laws?
"The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is to have with them as little political connection as possible... It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world, so far as we are now at liberty to do it." George Washington- September 19, 1796Comment
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What do you know about the American working class? Tell me how they have benefitted. Enlighten me.
Look at per capita incomes... look at the computer age. Working in factories is a much more efficient job now. Productivity of the American worker is the highest in the world, and THAT rather than wages determines where jobs are located.
You are spewing old rhetoric that died out with Perot, and thankfully so.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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I'm more in favor of Capitalism in the form somewhat like the "Asian Tigers", omething like patriotic Capitalism. Promote competition within the nation. I'm not just talking about steel, I'm talking about textiles and other industries as well. I don't believe in a service based economy.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
You are against capitalism then. Capitalism is an international economic theory. In the beginning, it was postulated that trade was the engine of economic growth, and that it is. Capitalism cannot work well in autarky."The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is to have with them as little political connection as possible... It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world, so far as we are now at liberty to do it." George Washington- September 19, 1796Comment
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*Points out to Immy that Ronnie was one of the biggest protectionists in recent history.*
US trade policies in these industries (textiles, agriculture, etc.)aren't following suit...I think he is speaking about the third world... but the US economy is moving away from those inefficient industies, as well it should."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Personally I think Tony Blair is the better orator. He has much better diction.Originally posted by UberKruX
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