Neo-Nazism and Muslim fundamentalism. What do you think?

[Ecthy]

Yes, it was only one point. But it's the only point I'm talking about, though all of you guys find something (and may it be yet so tiny) to support his point. But it's just wrong and bullsh!t.

Why is it that now you come up with that puny "it's only one point" argument? Just five minutes ago your arguments were totally different. Reminds me of all the attempts to discuss issues with some people from school (smart ones, don't worry ); as soon as you'd have countered their last point, a reply like "oh, whatever" or "but that's only one point" would occur. But anyway, if you are convicned now that that single point is wrong, then there was indeed a lot of sense in my work. Success!

Or not? :hm:

[Ecthy]

Just for being complete: as I have said several times in this thread by now, I find that point important enough to let the article go under "claptrap". Sprayber can'T take people seriously that have 2 fun lines in a big programm of sophisticated arguments. I can't take people seriously that mix up very basic principles of politics. And the author did just that. I just don't want to read it, I KNOW (at least I think I do) it must be full of crap if he got such a simple thing wrong.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
And BeBro - being so (author) bold is indeed a sign of not being worthy of being taken seriously. If you only stopped designing things and left your house for one minute, you could see extremist groups. And then you'd notice how silly it is to call those guys Neo Nazis.

At least I´m creative

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
I just don't want to read it, I KNOW (at least I think I do) it must be full of crap if he got such a simple thing wrong.

Ok, you win. I can´t compete with people who have the ability to know the content of an article they never read completely. Seems the force is with you.

[Bereta_Eder]

Bah no relation. Neo nazis are scum

muslim fundamentalists are... err... disturbed.

Big difference

[Kropotkin]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
I know your spelling doesn't make any sense to me, Spotty Kropotty.

In case you lack the intellectual ability to get other people's points, then I'll explain it again, just for you: I'm trying to show you that people with coloured hair that burn US flags wearing Palestinian-style scarves are not Neo Nazis but extreme leftists (or moderate ones among the extremes if you want me to be un-general). It isn't actually that hard to get.

1) Like your spelling makes any sense either.

2) Oh do be a stupid bastard and mess up me with things I haven't said at all.

3) I've got that years ago. It's your that started to inslut me 'cause I said that nep-nazis often are confused and

4) called me stupid since I in some way should agree with the author witch I said

5) Said that I refused your idea that racism and anti-semitism is leftist and then said that myself. makes no sense at all. I never said anything against you on that point

6) starting to post pics with syndicalists and calling the neo nazis and then blaiming us from not understanding the difference between extremists on the left from nazis. yes that is confusing.

7) Take your damn medication!

[Az]

I still haven't understood your point.

you're saying that those couldn't be neo-nazis because they were wearing a sort of clothing that is associated with left-wingers?

[Ecthy]

That's the most likely possibility.

If they were deranged Neo Nazis they would be an exception and therefore no social danger.

[Kropotkin]

Originally posted by Natan
Left-wing anti-Semitism certainly exists. Anti-Jewish persecutions were just as if not more nasty in the USSR than in interwar Poland, and certainly were way, way nastier than anything which happened in the United States.

That's a pretty extreme example. Anti-semitism in this chase could be explained by old traditions rathen than communism. From a historical perspective racism was more common in the rhetorics of the right than the left ("White mans burden", the right in Sweden and in many other places and countries often admired how Hitler brought order to Germany etc) but no side was perfect. They where all part of their context in some way.

[BeBMan]

I hate to do this but...

In der Nacht vor dem 27. Januar wurden auf dem Heidefriedhof fünf Gedenk-Stelen in einem Stelen-Rondell für die Opfer des NS mit roter Farbe geschändet. Dabei wurden drei antisemitische Sprüche hinterlassen: Einer zum "Gedenken" an "ermordete Palästinenser"; der zweite zum "israelischem Faschismus", der dritte lautete "Tod den jüdischen Mördern". Im Kontext des Gedenktages für die Opfer des NS, sind die Sprüche u.a krasse Relativierungen der Verbrechen der Nazi-Deutschen.
Die Täterschaft bei Dresdner Neo-Nazis zu sehen liegt nahe, da z.B. die NPD Dresden schon seit Jahren durch offensiven Antisemitismus bekannt ist. Am 9. November 2001 störten Dresdner Neo-Nazis die Weihe der neuen Synagoge (> 09 nov 01).
Das Bekunden von Pro-Palästina-Solidarität (im Zusammenhang mit Antisemitismus) ist seit kurzem in der Neo-Nazi-Szene üblich geworden. (z.B. NPD-Demo in Jena am 14. April 2001 unter dem Motto "Solidarität mit Palästina"). Auch die sog. Pali-Tücher werden zunehmend von Neo-Nazis getragen, vor allem bei politischen Aktionen.

Source: http://venceremos.antifa.net/ddneonazis.html

For those who don´t understand it: It´s from a website that monitors neonazi activities in the city of Dresden. The last sentence says (freely translated):

Also these Palestinian-style scarves are more and more weared by neonazis, especially during political actions (Maybe the translation is not the best, but it seems the author of Dal´s arcticle isn´t sooo wrong, hm?)

[Az]

.. good job BeBro .

Kropotkin:

That's a pretty extreme example. Anti-semitism in this chase could be explained by old traditions rathen than communism. From a historical perspective racism was more common in the rhetorics of the right than the left ("White mans burden", the right in Sweden and in many other places and countries often admired how Hitler brought order to Germany etc) but no side was perfect. They where all part of their context in some way.

the thing nazis say is that there are three ways: Capitalism , Communism , and Nazism. They hate both Capitalism and Communism . It's been clearly said. "jewish bankers control the world" ... read some stuff by WFHermans. ( the nazi troll poster, not the writer )

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Dalgetti
.. good job BeBro .

I wonder if Andy will show up here again. Well, I think his excuse towards us all shouldn´t be too long....

[Az]

nah

my guess: he'll try to attack th credibility of the source. ....


it is a good source, right?

[Kropotkin]

read some stuff by WFHermans

Do I have to? I rather don't. Pretty please.

[BeBMan]

Well, it is not an official news source (it is from a organization against neonazis), but it is absolutely as good as the sites where he found the pics he posted here, so if he complains about my sources, I´ll complain about his too