Neo-Nazism and Muslim fundamentalism. What do you think?

[Ecthy]

I don't deny that Snapcase. I even think that Nazi literature is more popular than ever these days among Arabs, probably also Palestinian. But I think the relevant tie is anti-semitism.

Didn't find a single picture via image search and my knowledge about leftie sites is limited. there are some demonstration pics on www.antifas.de , but you don't see anarchists in scarves there. But that doesn't matter anymore.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ecthelion


I'm talking about German teens on the street, not fat Americans in their homes. You will find that the left-wing movement on the street has been pretty active from '68 on, and their positions are anti-Us most of the times. That is because by 'lefties' us Europeans mostly refer to socialists, not liberals. Just a cultural misunderstanding in this case.

Okay, I get it now. I was referring to lefties and righties by US standards.

[chequita guevara]

There have been ties between militant Black nationalist Islam and the white supremicist movement in the US for over a decade. Louis Farrakhan and Tom Metzger of the White Aryan Resitence met, and Metzger said that this guy wants the same thing we do (seperate white and Black homelands). My source for this is the ADL, so it's possible that this was overblown, seeing as the ADL goes apopleptic about Farrakhan (maybe with good reason).

During the Gulf War, neo-Nazis would visit our demonstrations, also opposing the war (but because they thought it was a war to save the Jews ). They marched through once, obliquely, then high-tailed it out of their before we realized who they were (we saw them leaving).

Neo-Nazis are not pro-US. They believe that the US is lead by ZOG (what an evil sounding name), the Zionist Occupation Government, which is oppressing white men and women by unleashing Blacks upon us. (Yay ZOG!) If you look at who a lot of these guys are, however, you realize they have a lot of serious grevances. They just point at scapegoats instead of the true causes of their conditions.

[Dr Strangelove]

Of course these guys have something in common, they have their lust for hate, a hate that masks all their personal short comings and explains all their personal failures. That is certainly what the neo-nazis movement is about, and they may very well recognize the Muslim fundamentalists as kindred spirits, so it doesn't matter that the association seems contradictory. I don't think that you can always fit the neo-nazis into a neat continuum between left and right either. They've always chosen theri ideology to fit the situation.

[chequita guevara]

That's only because right-wingers are ashamed to be linked with them. But their politics, stripped of hate, is exceedingly conservative and pro-small business: women's place is in the home, having babies; men's role is as the provider and ruler or the house; homosexuality is a crime against nature and God; anti-big government; etc. The one thing that seperates them from the right and sort of links them to the left, is their anti-corporate rhetoric, which they've always lost the moment it becomes convenient for them to do so.

[Natan]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
That's only because right-wingers are ashamed to be linked with them. But their politics, stripped of hate, is exceedingly conservative and pro-small business: women's place is in the home, having babies; men's role is as the provider and ruler or the house; homosexuality is a crime against nature and God; anti-big government; etc.

But the right doesn't believe in anti-miscegnation laws and racial separatism. Also, there's an anti-Christian strand of neo-Nazism which views Christian morality as a Jewish plot; needless to say, this view separates them from the mainstream right.

The one thing that seperates them from the right and sort of links them to the left, is their anti-corporate rhetoric, which they've always lost the moment it becomes convenient for them to do so.

They're also separated from the right by their racism, anti-Semitism, and violence.

[Kropotkin]

They're also separated from the right by their racism, anti-Semitism, and violence.

Oh well, that might be a very thin line...

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Natan

But the right doesn't believe in anti-miscegnation laws and racial separatism.

Bob Jones University? And the Right has only recently given up it's aversion to "racial mixing." (Yay racial mixing! )

Also, there's an anti-Christian strand of neo-Nazism which views Christian morality as a Jewish plot; needless to say, this view separates them from the mainstream right.

Okay, I stand corrected. There area also those who say communism is a Jewish plot to destroy Chrisitainity.

They're also separated from the right by their racism, anti-Semitism, and violence.

There is far more of that on the right than on the left.

[DinoDoc]

There is far more of that on the right than on the left.

Most of them prefer to be associated with the Christian Identity movement rather than the vaguely pagan Neo-Nazi movement though.

[Natan]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Bob Jones University? And the Right has only recently given up it's aversion to "racial mixing." (Yay racial mixing! )

Define "recently."

Okay, I stand corrected. There area also those who say communism is a Jewish plot to destroy Chrisitainity.

And I think they're both equally looney in the eyes of any sane person, left or right wing.

There is far more of that on the right than on the left.

Yes, although in other countries political violence is the province of the left.

Kropotkin: What are you saying?

[Ramo]

It looks like the adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" still holds true.

[Kropotkin]

Originally posted by Natan
Kropotkin: What are you saying?

That the parties and people to the right often have flirtet with racism, anti-semtism and violence.

[Natan]

Originally posted by Kropotkin
That the parties and people to the right often have flirtet with racism, anti-semtism and violence.

As far as I can tell, no more so than those on the left.

[Kropotkin]

racism and anit-semtism is hardly part of the lefts ideology. Violence is a open question.

[Natan]

Originally posted by Kropotkin
racism and anit-semtism is hardly part of the lefts ideology. Violence is a open question.

They're hardly part of the right's agenda either, but they make convenient political ploys.