Neo-Nazism and Muslim fundamentalism. What do you think?

[Ecthy]

BTW, Neo Nazis are not that confused, they're pretty uniform. They ususally dress into army boots and Alpha jackets, cut their hair (therefore 'skinheads' you know, but I suppose those are commie satanists not nazis ) and do a lot of neo Nazi stuff. While their opponents (left is opposed to right, just FYI) wear those headscarves, and I find it ludicrous how you guys start searching for those puny arguments in favour of the author. He just doesn't have a clue. Damn, I live here, Ijust KNOW it because I SEE IT EVERY DAY. So stop telling me what life is like here!

The author is just stupid. And so are now declared Dlagetti and Kropotkin, anyone wo wants can join them.

[Ecthy]

Peili!

Originally posted by BeBro
Not correct in this generalization. I can´t believe that you simply ignore the given example (Mahler, NPD), it was extensively covered in German media too. And I have also personal experiences with neonazis here...

You're absolutely missing the point. I was saying that INTENTIONALLY as a very simple generalization. Do you think I don't know that doesn't apply for German nazis? could you please read the next line in that post as well? And then, what do you know? You apparently have never seen a bunch of anarchos wwearing pali headscarves. What a laugh!

Ecthy's list of stupid people telling him what his life is like := same list + BeBro

[Natan]

If these ties exist, they're just a marriage of convenience. Nazis only need to manipulate untermenschen until the Aryan race can place its jackboot firmly on top of all of their necks. Not to make a comparison between the two, but it should also be noted that the Islamists have no great love of European nationalism, in either its Christian or pagan forms.

[Ecthy]

Thank you Natan. I adore you. Your contribution to this thread solved the last problems, we can have world peace now. Or am I missing your point and you're just trying to say something in order to appear as 'the man in the know'?

[BeBMan]

Re: Peili!

Originally posted by Ecthelion


You're absolutely missing the point. I was saying that INTENTIONALLY as a very simple generalization. Do you think I don't know that doesn't apply for German nazis? could you please read the next line in that post as well? And then, what do you know? You apparently have never seen a bunch of anarchos wwearing pali headscarves. What a laugh!

Ecthy's list of stupid people telling him what his life is like := same list + BeBro

Very amusing, go on

If you know your generalization is incorrect, why do you complain about the article - even if the "pali scarves" thing is not reflected correctly, most of the other facts are true...

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ecthelion


That's the idea of it.

And I agree with Provost.

You see? Lefties - anti US. Righties - pro US.

While I'm not "anti US" and Nazis are not "right" in the classical sense, the scheme applies.

That's very stereotypical. Most lefties are pro-US. Republican (right wing) propaganda has you believing lefty = anti US, righty = pro US.

In reality:
lefty = pro better US
righty = pro US the way it was when our pappies ran things

But you also must know that all lefties and righties alike don't share the same views. Communists, Black Panthers, Green Peace, Libertarians, and Democrats are all lefties, yet they rarely agree on most issues. Likewise, Republicans(US), Fascists (Nazis), Islamic Fundamentalists, and KKK(Aryan Nation) are righties and don't share the same ideas.

If you compare overall what the left wants and what the right wants, you can see why conservatives prevent progress. The very definition of conservative states that conservatives want to either keep the status quo, or return things to the way they used to be.

Since the world is perfect, constant change is needed to get closer to perfection, so keeping the status quo is bad. Likewise, things in the past were worse, so reverting to that state is bad. All in all, the right is bad. It just depends on the degree of negativity that you want. In the best case scenario, you will get a righty that wants to keep the status quo.

[Kropotkin]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
The author is just stupid. And so are now declared Dlagetti and Kropotkin, anyone wo wants can join them.

Considering that you don't what a skinhead is I welcome you to the club.

[Ecthy]

The "pali sacrves thing" as you call it is one of his examples for the huge amount of German Neo Nazis burning US flags and taking side with ultra terrorists that only want to kill people for a laugh. Something like that is called a "fact argument", and if it is wrong, and the same wrongfulness of the argument is based on the stupidity and superficial estimation of the author, then you can forget the whole article.

If anything is amusing, then it's that article, his author, and Apolyton posters that try to bend the truth to make the article appear glorious. Dalgetti is just being one of the paranoid ones that need to see anti-semitism and parallels between Nazis (ultimate evil) and their current enemies at war (palestinians, or muslims as a general foe image for some parts of western culture), thus justifying any act of war against innocents. And if such a logic is based on the silliest of all "observations", then I just can't take it seriously.

[Natan]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
Thank you Natan. I adore you. Your contribution to this thread solved the last problems, we can have world peace now. Or am I missing your point and you're just trying to say something in order to appear as 'the man in the know'?

Ecthelion, I think you need to get out of the house and observe some neo-Nazis in Kaffiyas. It would do you good.

[Ecthy]

Originally posted by Sava
That's very stereotypical. Most lefties are pro-US. Republican (right wing) propaganda has you believing lefty = anti US, righty = pro US.

In reality:
lefty = pro better US
righty = pro US the way it was when our pappies ran things

I'm talking about German teens on the street, not fat Americans in their homes. You will find that the left-wing movement on the street has been pretty active from '68 on, and their positions are anti-Us most of the times. That is because by 'lefties' us Europeans mostly refer to socialists, not liberals. Just a cultural misunderstanding in this case.

[Ecthy]

Originally posted by Natan
Ecthelion, I think you need to get out of the house and observe some neo-Nazis in Kaffiyas. It would do you good.

Well what is a kaffiyah?

[Buck Birdseed]

Although this source is rather full of ****, there do exist ties between Nazi groups and certain types of Muslim fundamentalist. Sweden's most famous Anti-Semite/Holocaust Denier, Ahmet Rhami of Radio Islam, has close ties with neo-nazi movements all over the world, and has repeatedly invited David Irving to speak in Sweden. Bastard.

[Ecthy]

I'm doing a google image search for a pic of street lefties in Germany now. And i then you honestly try to explain me why they're Neo Nazis, I'll stop it and not think you're stupid anymore. Then I'll know it.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
The "pali sacrves thing" as you call it is one of his examples for the huge amount of German Neo Nazis burning US flags and taking side with ultra terrorists that only want to kill people for a laugh. Something like that is called a "fact argument", and if it is wrong, and the same wrongfulness of the argument is based on the stupidity and superficial estimation of the author, then you can forget the whole article.

BS. He made an error, yes. That does not mean all he said is wrong.

If anything is amusing, then it's that article, his author, and Apolyton posters that try to bend the truth to make the article appear glorious. Dalgetti is just being one of the paranoid ones that need to see anti-semitism and parallels between Nazis (ultimate evil) and their current enemies at war (palestinians, or muslims as a general foe image for some parts of western culture), thus justifying any act of war against innocents. And if such a logic is based on the silliest of all "observations", then I just can't take it seriously.

Well, fine, if you know everything, why don´t you enlighten us poor Apolyton posters about what´s going on in the world?

[Kropotkin]

btw, i have to intrupt a bit since I feel highly annoyed at being called stupid by Echt. since a) I didn't defend the article like Echt implies I did b) a dress code doesn't mean that they are not confused and c) Echt. don't know **** about 'skinheads'