Europe's Shame

[Ecthy]

His post is in no connection to the point of this thread, he's just using random accusations as pseudo-arguments against Europe, just like your "there's clearly a trend developing". It's purely the will to appear eloquent by using damn empty phrases, thus totally leading the whole issue ad absurdum. Could we try and get topical instead of rhetorical?

[Shi Huangdi]

"I find it shameful that the Catholic Church should permit a bishop, one with lodgings in the Vatican no less, a saintly man who was found in Jerusalem with an arsenal of arms and explosives hidden in the secret compartments of his sacred Mercedes,"

The Church does not control the political beliefs of individual bishops(See liberation theology). The Cathecism makes it perfectly clear where it stands on terrorism.

"I find it shameful that the Roman Observer, the newspaper of the Pope--a Pope who not long ago left in the Wailing Wall a letter of apology for the Jews--accuses of extermination a people who were exterminated in the millions by Christians."

I'd like to see the exact wording, but the Israelis have definitley exterminated alot of Palestinians.

"I find it shameful that this newspaper denies to the survivors of that people (survivors who still have numbers tattooed on their arms) the right to react, to defend themselves, to not be exterminated again."

Hyperbole. I suppose defending, reacting, and not being exterminated means the right to commit human rights abuses. In any case, the Vatican is pacifist about 99% of the time.

"I find it shameful that they are on the side of the very ones who inaugurated terrorism, killing us on airplanes, in airports, at the Olympics, and who today entertain themselves by killing western journalists. "

The Church is NOT on the Palestinian side. It does not support suicide bombings. The author is an idiot who supports hyperbole and propganda, trying to use memories of a past human rights tragedy to justify the other.

Personally I find it shameful that our President thinks Sharon is a man of peace.

[Natan]

Shi, the author is talking about the Italian clergy, not the Vatican. And you know, the NYPD has exterminated a lot of black people.

I don't think it's good to link anti-Semitism in Europe and criticism of Israel more than necessary. It weakens opposition to anti-Semitism.


David Floyd: I agree that the Holocaust shouldn't be used like that. At the same time, don't you think it shouldn't be used against Israel either? I'm sickened by people who say that "Israel is attacking the Palestinians like Hitler attacked Jews."

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
1. censored.

2. So it's a damn traitor

3. Seriously, how can he write such a bull? Jews are scared in German cities and others? That's news to me.

Just when I'm about to come to the conclusion that Europe is enlightened and capable of self examination, I see one of your posts and that idea fades away.

[Ecthy]

And just when I started to think Americans can use decent arguments I saw a post from you.

Care to elaborate? You'll find that's 2 short joke lines in about 5 posts full of a decent examination. You're just seeing what you want to see in order to keep up your bigoted point of view, the rest you ignore.

You seem t oexpect people to touch you with velvet gloves, but frankly I don't give a damn about your private life, so your patronizing behaviour doesn't reach me at all. And I don't give a crap about your attitude towards Europe.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

It's one hell of a PR victory for Sharon if all criticism of his government is now viewed as an attack on the Jewish people and faith. I had genuinely no idea that he was the voice, the soul and the conscience of all Jewish people and thought.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Just when I'm about to come to the conclusion that Europe is enlightened and capable of self examination

They are much better than us Americans, who seem to be almost impossible to examine the crap things we've done through out history.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
No one is seriously saying that Europe is antisemetic. What is getting the type of threads to show up so regularly is suprise over the relative silence with which Europe met aprox. 18 months of civilian murder in comparison to the "Suicide bombers are the poor man's F-16." rhetoric and official governmental criticism we are seeing from the continent now.

Have you spent the last 18 months with your eyes closed and your fingers firmly wedged in your ears, DinoDoc? With the exception of a week or so after 9-11 and the Queen Mother's death, the ME situation has made UK broadsheet front pages every day.

The shots of those Isreali soldiers getting lynched a year ago were in the papers for weeks. Every single bomb attack has been prominently reported. I'm glad you used that "relative" as a qualification, because it's the one thing that saves that post from being complete crap.

[Ecthy]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
They are much better than us Americans, who seem to be almost impossible to examine the crap things we've done through out history.

I take it you're not being sarcastic - don't be so hard on yourself, I have said before that enough of you, at least on this board, make an exception to that, though I must say that even many of the American posters can be like that. And sinc they're the intellectual upper class - poor country

If you are being sarcastic - f*ck off

Bugs - that's right, and it's similar in Germany. But then the ME situation is not *the* runner here, we still have scandals of politicians and Ronald B Schill being a cokenose. Isn't that a lot more important than a brutal war in the holy land?

[Monk]

The youth of Denmark flaunts the kaffiyeh and Jews are afraid to walk around here. Quite an amusing read, because I personally just brushed off the old kaffiyeh and I'm getting ready for killing off some Jews. Assuming of course I can find some - discrimination of Jews is virtually non-existant in Denmark because there just aren't any Jews around (8000 or so, and only one synagogue). According to Fallaci, we sure can't generalize and have prejudices about the Israelis, but when it comes to the Europeans, it's okay.

I find Fallaci shameful, and I'm disappointed to see that a journalist can be so unconstructive and rely so much on second-hand information. Just like I'm disappointed to see that Lincoln needs to ask if this garbage is remotely valid.

[Ecthy]

OK.... now what the frig is kaffiyeh?

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Just when I'm about to come to the conclusion that Europe is enlightened and capable of self examination

They are much better than us Americans, who seem to be almost impossible to examine the crap things we've done through out history.

Your kidding right? We are ****ing obsessed with the **** we have done in the Past.

It's on TV everyday

Its in just about every paper that you pick up

We are obsessed with the past. So much so that we can barely move forward.

[Ecthy]

Are you OK Spray, or is it time for nervous medication again?

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
And just when I started to think Americans can use decent arguments I saw a post from you.

Care to elaborate? You'll find that's 2 short joke lines in about 5 posts full of a decent examination. You're just seeing what you want to see in order to keep up your bigoted point of view, the rest you ignore.

You don't even know what my point of view is

Tell me mystro. What is my point of view?

You seem t oexpect people to touch you with velvet gloves, but frankly I don't give a damn about your private life, so your patronizing behaviour doesn't reach me at all. And I don't give a crap about your attitude towards Europe.

Are you smoking something? I have no idea what you are talking about. My private live is just that. Private. It has nothing to do with the fact that Pal are murdering Israelies in cafes and on buses. And it has nothing to do with the IDF going after gunman and killing Pal. So far, your the only one that has brought up anything about my personal life. And further more, Stay Away from my personal life.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
Are you OK Spray, or is it time for nervous medication again?

Is that all you got? Is that your big plan to insult me.