Can someone explain to me why there is a refugee camp in Jenin give the amount of aid that the PLO has recieved since the Oslo process began?
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Can someone explain to me why there is a refugee camp in Jenin give the amount of aid that the PLO has recieved since the Oslo process began?
Chegitz: I guess the US, Saudi Arabia, and the Kuwaiti government in exile are responsible for the horrible destruction in Kuwait city a decade ago . . .
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Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Can someone explain to me how a refugee camp has satelite dishes and three story villas?Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.
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Originally posted by Lonestar
Nope. I can, however, tell you I'm hard at work on a Empire Earth "Battle of Jenin" Scenario."Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal.
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Eli,
Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't Jenin one of the area's handed over to the PA during the peace process?
Just as Israel was 'handed' over to the Jews in 1948.
So when Israel invaded Jenin surely the people there had just as much right to resist as Jews in 1948 did?
If your city was threatened with invasion by a force that had done little but make your life hard for 50 years I can't believe that you would not resist to the best of your ability - maybe to the extent of planting booby-traps for the enemy.
Israel's actions show that it is simply an invading power that only want's control over an area with little regard to the wishes of those living there.
Israel has not even had the courage of it's convictions to annex the occupied territories outright - because that would mean either granting the 4m palestinians there voting rights or making their covert apartheid over the palestininan overt.19th Century Liberal, 21st Century European
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Originally posted by el freako
Eli,
Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't Jenin one of the area's handed over to the PA during the peace process?
Just as Israel was 'handed' over to the Jews in 1948.
So when Israel invaded Jenin surely the people there had just as much right to resist as Jews in 1948 did?
2) The Israelis haven't announced (and apparently don't have) any intention to kill or expel the inhabitants of the Jenin refugee camp. Compare with Azzam Pasha's statement during the 1948 war.
If your city was threatened with invasion by a force that had done little but make your life hard for 50 years I can't believe that you would not resist to the best of your ability - maybe to the extent of planting booby-traps for the enemy.
Israel's actions show that it is simply an invading power that only want's control over an area with little regard to the wishes of those living there.
Israel has not even had the courage of it's convictions to annex the occupied territories outright - because that would mean either granting the 4m palestinians there voting rights or making their covert apartheid over the palestininan overt.Last edited by Natan; April 16, 2002, 20:53.
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No, Israel hasn't done that because it still has some hope of making a deal with the Palestinians.
Not with Sharon there isn't.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.â€
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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They seem to have the same opinion of Arafat.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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Well, well, well, another thread accusing Israel of warcrimes without a shred of proff, how original.
Considering the zone is closed to outside observers, how come people are so quick to condem Israel? (as usual )I believe Saddam because his position is backed up by logic and reason...David Floyd
i'm an ignorant greek...MarkG
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Well one outside observer that went in afterwards described what she saw in the article I posted.
Kinda fishy why they didn't want journalists there in the first place“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.â€
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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It could be true, but I prefer to wait untill something concrete can be put foward.
It was just two months ago that the USA was accused of mistreating prisoners in Cuba based on a photo ( ), so let's not jump to conclusions.I believe Saddam because his position is backed up by logic and reason...David Floyd
i'm an ignorant greek...MarkG
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Originally posted by Eli
Seriously? Let me know when it's done.Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.
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Lonestar: you make EE scens???!!!!! do you post in any forums??
I am now at work at my first serious attempt at an EE scenario.
I fail to understand triggers though , or to be exact , how does one do them.
about the defence: make lots of bazookas, and uprade them to attack. use pillboxes around the building.
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I can't believe the level of self-delusion which goes on when the issue is the ME. You guys are war gamers and at least armchair historians. What happens when there is fighting in cities? There is destruction and loss of life. This is a war, and one side is counting on using your reaction and outrage to cover the fact that is has completely abrogated any claim to protection by the rules of warfare by it's purposeful murder of civilians. That side is called the Palestinians. The other side has been forced to go on the offensive in order to at least slow down the regular murder of it's non-combatants. It has massive firepower, and could easily starve or bombard it's enemies out of existence. This side is called Israel.
The funny thing is that Israel has decided to extend not only the normal rules of war to it's enemy (though these are not reciprocated), but it goes out of it's way to prevent civilian casualties by only using a limited selection of direct fire weapons to support the deliberate movements of it's maneuver elements. It does so even though by doing so it raises the risk for its soldiers by an order of magnitude. If you really want to cry about something, have a look at what a real battle in a city looks like. Berlin, Warsaw, Aachen, Stalingrad, can provide a much better frame of reference. If you want to see real genocide, then take a look at what happened in Rwanda, where more civilians were murdered in a week than have been killed in 50+ years of conflict between Jew and Muslim in the ME. You see a scan of the worst damage (with no idea how far it extends) and listen to the hysterical reports of the local civilians and suddenly its as if a million people were slaughtered. You really need numbers to have a perspective.
Maybe if the Palestinians leadership had made peace like real men when they were given the opportunity the Palestinian fighters and terrorists wouldn't have to hide behind their women and children now.He's got the Midas touch.
But he touched it too much!
Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!
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