Which Civilization has been the biggest bunch of bastards throughout history?

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

I was picking an example with fundamental Islamic views I.E. the Taliban regime vs. fundamental Catholic views

Italy?? Fundamentalist Catholic? LOLOLOL

So point out how they aren't?

The church virtually owns the state.

If what you say is correct... you should be able to prove that Italian women are somehow worse off comparitively to men, than Afghan women are to Afghan men. Will you just answer that question?

[Az]

MrBaggins : Italy is a liberal state. The church doesn't own it. however , and it must be said , Could you point out a christian country that is fundamentalist? ( USA doesn't count )

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by Dalgetti
MrBaggins : Italy is a liberal state. The church doesn't own it. however , and it must be said , Could you point out a christian country that is fundamentalist? ( USA doesn't count )

The Italian have more Catholics per square inch than any other country.

There isn't any such thing as a fundamental Catholic in the Islamic sense... although Italy's social policy is almost in lock step with the Church.

Including the bit about siding with Hitler

[Imran Siddiqui]

That was the point I was making Dalgetti.

There really aren't any fundamentalist Christian states. That comes from the longevity of Christianity. People get tired with it. People will get tired with fundamentalist Islam as well, and new things will come out of it.

[Az]

It's not that much of an age gap , Imran . only 600 years or so.

[Imran Siddiqui]

It's not that much of an age gap , Imran . only 600 years or so.

We aren't talking about Jewish history here which is like 6000 years old .

It is quite an age gap. Remember the US is only 226 years old, and look how far it has come since the beginning!

[MrBaggins]

if islam has had 1400 years to fix its issues, then, why hasn't it?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Why was Christianity so backwards in 1400 AD? Why didn't it fix its issues?

[MrBaggins]

because society hadn't yet been secularized.

Abandoning religious teachings seems to be the only way to go...

[Imran Siddiqui]

And in 1400 years of Islam, society hasn't been secularized.

Don't create a double standard for Islam and Christianity.

[MrBaggins]

Well they've tried... but it hasn't really worked out.

Islam teaches that there needs to be religious nations as far as I'm aware.

[MrBaggins]

Also their instruction book, the Koran is far more inciteful toward women...

[Ecthy]

America is still in the lead.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
America is still in the lead.

I haven't seen many of those 20 or so people try to make their case. They just vote and scurry away.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MrBaggins
Including the bit about siding with Hitler

The Church never sided with Hitler.