Siro goes to to pre-military training

[Imran Siddiqui]

This camp thing is simply a kids' play... They make us run around for a while and then sit and listen to lectures. We also get some 11 bullets and an old M16 in a shooting range

Huh.. sounds like an American High School .

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Seeker
BTW, according to some friends in the Army most of Canada could quickly be taken over by 1 Belgian paratroop division...

[Guardian]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
And hopefully one day you'll be able to tell me why Israel has the most untidy and badly dressed soldiers in the world

Perhaps that's an impression you get because you usually see them "in action", with bombs going off left and right and real bullets flying around their ears?

Under such conditions, stuff like dress codes isn't exactly first on the list of priorities...

[Az]

@ Imran....


and yes, our soldiers are not well dressed. After all , they see real action.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

Any advice from the military pros?

Throw the grenade, drop the pin. Don't mix those up.

This is very important. Memorize it.

[Alexander's Horse]

you'd be surprised how often soldiers do the opposite

[Bereta_Eder]

I've never seen one do it.
And I never want to ....

[Bereta_Eder]

Although it would be funny...
(for a movie or something!)

[Ecthy]

Be careful they don't kill you.

[Ecthy]

just testing this quick reply feature. if we have got this, couldn't we extend it and drop that old button sh!t?

[Starchild]

Grenades are funny.
(testing quick reply)

[Ecthy]

isn't it a cool feature?

it should have message icons and titles.

and the buttons should be removed

[Sirotnikov]

Weep for the dead Siro.

Hey!

It's not army yet - just a boyscout like training session to reduce the shock when I finally get drafted.

Anyhoo, I plan to ask for delay to get a first degree in Computer Science, and then serve in some technological unit or perhaps intelligence.

Just remember Siro - being an offcier is a HUGE chick magnet

Not here, where everyone's an officer.

Here the following things are magnets:

1. Pilots
2. Special Operations (Egoz, Duvdevan, Shayetet 17, Sayeret Matcal etc). (all names of special commando groups)
3. Navy Seals (though some were infected by cancer due to training in polluted water in the 80s).
4. People who can't tell you what they did (intelligence or spies)

Easy to say as an American. I don't know about you, but if I were an Israeli kid still in high school I'd be terrified of having to fight out in those camps. I'm not intending to bash on you, Dino, but it's just not a situation I think you've been in, and you shouldn't be passing judgement on somebody who is in it.

Well, going to the army is kinda scary.

But this experience will be fun I think.

The presence or absence of a threat doesn't give any government license to institute slavery, which is what conscription is.

So basically you want the government to offer you safety, but you're not willing to give your hand to the fight?

Very moral

Natural rights, by definition, exist no matter what.

Natural rights are an idiocy invented by people who are too used to their good livin'.

His primary responsibility us to protect his own life, not the lives of others. You call it cowardly, I call it a good, rational decision based on notions of logic and self-preservation.

Self preservation of my society is higher in importance than my own.

You know, a russian scientist did a reasearch once about the reason why Neanderthals got extinct.

One of his findings was that Neanderthals had no people who were ready to sacrifice one-self for the good of society.
Each person thought of himself alone, and thus the whole species disintigrated.

Obviously I will usually think of my self first, but I will not, ever, leave my familiy / friends / country men to die and run off.

Natural rights? Pfff. They are the artificial arguments of pampered people who have never had to face tough choices. The only rights any man or woman truely owns are the ones they are prepared to defend in the face of those who would deny them.

Natan, the fundamentalist parties have consistently shown hawkish tendencies and were pretty much always against peace and negotiation. Which is one of the many reasons why they are so much disliked by the secular guys - they are always for fighting, but they never fight.

I thought so too, but I noticed recently that Shas and Mafdal are one of the most responsible parties around.

Shas leader Eli Yishai always judges the situation objectively and rationally. Even if his supporters don't serve.

[Sirotnikov]

Dalgetti youwere there, what do I expect?

[Eli]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

2. Special Operations (Egoz, Duvdevan, Shayetet 17, Sayeret Matcal etc). (all names of special commando groups)
3. Navy Seals (though some were infected by cancer due to training in polluted water in the 80s).

Ummm...
The "Navy seals" are Shayetet 13. Shayetet 17 doesnt exist.