Are you prepared to die for your country?

[Sava]

Only if the nation is directly under attack. I wouldn't go to a place like Korea, Vietnam, or Iraq to fight a politician's war.

But if our Canadian neighbors to the North invaded, you bet your ass I'd be on my roof with an M16.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Sikander


Aim for the head and everybody's happy

Har har.

[Sikander]

I decided 'yes' to this question many years ago, and prepared myself mentally to take great risks and to kill if necessary. It's a serious burden to take on, and I was humbled by the experience. When I joined the Army I was a much better soldier for having thought things through though. People gravitated towards me because I was serious, and I ended up being a leader most of the time.

Most of the people here on Apolyton have never served in the military, of those that have most have never served while their country was at war, and only a couple have served in actual combat. The most flippant responses come from those who are farthest from potential danger. A lot of the emphatic 'no!' voters would find themselves willingly drawn into combat with the correct stimulus, and probably a few of the 'yes' voters would be paralyzed with fear at the prospect of actual combat, which is completely reasonable. As I see it, this is just another measure of responsibility, like voting instead of just *****ing, or contributing to the economy rather than just living on welfare. It is not the only or most important measure of a man, but it's a measure nonetheless.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
Give me a job away from the frontline where I can help the country with my brain not my trigger finger.

That will be an ever better choice.

[Sava]

I voted YES BTW

Personally, I want WWIII to break out. I think I'd be good at war.

[Guardian]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
I will only participate in a war that I feel is morally just.

Against those who would try to kill my people, any war is morally just as far as I'm concerned...

[SlowwHand]

Re: I voted YES BTW

Originally posted by Sava
Personally, I want WWIII to break out. I think I'd be good at war.

Once again, my Moderate viewpoint just screams out.
"Want WWIII to break out"?
That's as wrong, at the other end of the spectrum, as some of the others. (David )

[Sava]

Re: Re: I voted YES BTW

Originally posted by SlowwHand


Once again, my Moderate viewpoint just screams out.
"Want WWIII to break out"?
That's as wrong, at the other end of the spectrum, as some of the others. (David )

heheh, I can't explain why I want it to happen... I just do

War is the only way the world will ever come to universal peace. Somebody must bring order to the chaos.

Maybe I'm the third anti-christ that Nostradamus was talking about.

[SlowwHand]

You can tell somebody that hasn't put their motorcycle down hard by some of the ignorant things they do on a motorcycle.
You can also tell when someone's not been in the service, by much the same observations.

[Guardian]

Re: Re: Re: I voted YES BTW

Originally posted by Sava

heheh, I can't explain why I want it to happen... I just do

War is the only way the world will ever come to universal peace. Somebody must bring order to the chaos.

Maybe I'm the third anti-christ that Nostradamus was talking about.

So, you basically think we ought to nuke ourselves off the face of the planet?

Admittedly, that would solve our petty problems once and for all, but I must say, I do find it a bit extreme...

[Guardian]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
You can tell somebody that hasn't put their motorcycle down hard by some of the ignorant things they do on a motorcycle.
You can also tell when someone's not been in the service, by much the same observations.

Good point...

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
david, yes, it obviously depends on the war, however, i don't think one has the right to pick the wars his country has.

Siro, you must be the perfect soldier... Don´t question your superiors and be grateful for the chance to die for your country... Your body is just simmering with nationalist testosterone isn´t it?

unless ones country behaves like nazi germany, he should support it.

...or behaves like Israel?

and yes, more often than not, i will support tribalism over moralism.

moralism is futile IMO.

How come I´m not surprised?

[Bereta_Eder]

You know I think they are laws (in Greek military code and I imagine elsewhere) which do give you the right to disobey the order of a superior if this is wrong.

Now I have no clue what would that mean in actual combat but there are these laws.

I'd have no problem obeying orders as long as they are just. An order to execute unarmed innocents would propably find me turning my gun the other way and pointing to the one that gave the order.
But that is all in theory, see. Unless you're there you'd never know.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Herr David
What's the point of this thread? To make totally pointless pseudo-"discussions" while we're all sitting in front of some PC, probably bored or stuped... thinking our opinions matter to anyone but us...

If you want to talk about serious subjects go out and talk to real people face-to-tace, that's what I think.

Maybe we want to engage in meaningless pseudo-discussions? Ever think of that, Einstein?

But the obvious question is if course: what the **** are you doing here if it´s totally pointless? Why aren´t you out there, in the real world, riding your high horse saving the whales or whatever?

[SlowwHand]

"probably find me turning my gun the other way and pointing to the one that gave the order."

It's not like this doesn't happen on occasion.



And Kamrat, wtf is he doing, giving his opinion here, rather than being out talking face-to-face?
Another nimrod better at theory than practice.