What would be YOUR solution to the Israel Palestinian conflict?

[Harovan]

Re: Re: What would be YOUR solution to the Israel Palestinian conflict?

Originally posted by The diplomat
...making thousands of Israeli citizens angry at the loss of their property and resentful against the Palestinians.

Do you mean as angry and resentful as the Palestinians are now against the Israeli and their settlers?

Good solution, horse!

[Rasputin]

Originally posted by our_man

Jerusalem should be declared an international city administered by the UN with freedom for ALL religions to practice their faith and live in peace. I don't believe that the Arabs would then claim it as their own and try and intimidate the other religions there, it wouldn't go down to well in the rest of the world - just let them try, and see what happens

this occured in the war of 1948, the UN declared Jerusalem a non jewish non arab controlled city, but they immediatly took all of it over. and the world did notihng to stop this nor get it back from the arabs till the Israelis took it all in 1967 !!

[our_man]

Well, there should be a sizeable UN force in the city for preventing that from happening. If the Arabs start taking out UN peacekeepers, action will be taken, at least be the U.S. (good old Europe will want to "talk" about the problem, and try to "understand" where the Arabs are coming from).

And what happened on September 28th Eli?

[Rasputin]

The UN hasnt stopped too much fighitng between Israel and Terrorists in Sothern Lebanon

[The Viceroy]

There are 3 possibilities ..

1) ALL OUT WAR, each side attempts to kill every single jew/arab until there are so few left, there is no problem.

2) Stay as it is, ***-for-tat, and never solve the problem, the hatred will build and build until no.1 happens, or the people get so sick of it all, no.3 happens.

3) Agree to live in peace, whatever the political arrangement.

The jewish side is too haunted by WW2, to go for no.1 .. and the palistinians have not had there fill of death to stop fighting, so it looks like we will be stuck with No.2 for a long long time to come, lets hope no.3 eventually comes to pass.

Building a wall around israel reminds me of a French pre-ww2 venture and like that (sorry, I can't find a correct spelling for it) the enemy will simply walk around it ..

[Arrian]

Viceroy - The Maginot Line.

DetroitDave - Yeah, I wish we could solve it by giving the Palestinians a home elsewhere, but I seriously doubt they would accept that.

Horse - not bad overall, I'd say, but the returning or property or compensation for it would be the real sticky point. Just look at how inflexible each side is on the "right of return" issue.

I am starting to believe that one of two things must happen:

1) Intervention by the UN, with overwhelming force. Result - a Bosnia-type situation

2) Let them fight it out. Withdraw all int'l aid to both sides and tell them to give us a call when they've had their fill of blood.

-Arrian

[tandeetaylor]

Re: Re: What would be YOUR solution to the Israel Palestinian conflict?

Originally posted by The diplomat
...making thousands of Israeli citizens angry at the loss of their property and resentful against the Palestinians.

That is... laughable... hillarious! And very sad. How does one respond to such a statement? The only thing to do is highlight it and separate it.

As to Alexander's ideas

[Chris 62]

First step:

Get the UN OUT of any deal, they do everything ass-backwards.

Next, devide WB along racial lines, if needed exchange settlements to avoid Kashmir-like problems.
The Jews have just as much right as the Pals there, it was Jordian land till ceded to Israel.

Give ENTIRE west bank to Palestine, as well as motor acess to WB area.

Jerusalem to be divided between Jews/Pals on even basis, free access to both sides to all religious sites.

Both sides to have closed border and buffer zone.

Pals MUST agree to stop and punish terror, Israel MUST agree to compensate Pals for any land lost and illeagal killings.

All Muslim states must cease attacks on Jews and state-sponcered anti-Jewish crusades.

Buffer zone force to consist of US, Russian, EU, Arab states and IDF forces on one for one basis, so no area dominated by any political block.

All known terror suspects must be turned over to justice, and cease further attacks.
Arafat may be allowed to run PA, however, if any further terror is detected from him or his organization, he is to be siezed and shipped to the Hauge to stand trial for crimes against humanity.
Sharon must answer alligations of war crimes stemming from 1982 Lebbenon offensive.

That would be about it, both sides would gain, both would lose.

I might add there isn't a hoot in hell of this happening.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Re: In the name of democracy

Originally posted by Dry

Tell that to Mr Sharon.
He is against a democratic Palestinan state. All his actions are to push the palestinians into the arms of the terrorists.
And be happy, he will reach his goal. Once all palestinians will be so pissed-of, that they see no other solution than the hizbollah, he will be able to get rid of them righteously (exile, diaspora: if he his 'nice'; genocide if he is 'evil'... only history will tell).
Nice program. Peace at the end.
At least for some years and then... in 2000 years or so... they will come back.
But that's not Mr Sharon's problem.

That what the Israeli's democraticly voted for.

In the name of freedom, in the name of democracy.

Now why exactly do you think that the Israelis chose Sharon? A few years ago, he had no chance whatever to be PM, or in any serious position in government. Hamas and the Palestinian extremists pro-peace Israeli moderates and leftists, so that they could force a confrontation. Now they got Sharon, and like it or not, he'll kick their asses square. They got more than they bargained for.

I'd send the Pals off to Horse's neighborhood too.

Yank - there isn't a hoot in hell of any sane solution.

[Sprayber]

Re: What would be YOUR solution to the Israel Palestinian conflict?

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Mine would be:

. multicultural state, possibly federal

Neither side wants this so how do you implement.

. return of all Palestinian land and property taken since 1948 or compensation for same.

Since the Arabs started the war, lets get Syria, Egypt, and Jordan to pich in and pay some of the compensation.

. dismantling of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Gaza and compensation for settlers

Not a bad idea actually. Jewish settlements only serve to make the sitution worse.

. Right of return for all Palestinian refugees, including to Israel

Would they not be better of in the West Bank among other pal. Putting them in Israel would simply start the problem all over again.

. Jerusalem declared an international city administered by the UN and shared by all faiths.

Take the UN out of the equation and you might have something.

. All Arab lands returned, some areas such as the Golan Heights possibly demilitarised/Un administered.

Again the Syrians don't need the Golan Heights if they intend to live with Israel in peace. Besides, haven't they occuppied enough land in Lebannon to make up for the heights?

[Jon Miller]

Split Jerusalem

Israel half to Israel

Palestine half to Palestine

dual control over the religious sections with the Vatican

Give Golan heights to Israel (what is needed for defense purposes)

give all the rest of the disputed land to Palestine

have the Arab Countries plus Israel split payments to the refuges who can then live in Palestine

Palestine must be Demilitarized for a period of ten years

Palestine and Israel must not teach hate in schools or spread it over the media

Palestine will have a US Govenor over the course of 10 years to make sure they abide by the rules, he will be in charge of watching the media, keeping terrorism down, and the like

Settlers in Palestine land can decide to stay in Palestine or return to Israel

Israel cannot venture into Palestine land (militarily) unless permition is given by the US (in case they are attacked)

Arab states make peace with Israel

Israel and Palestine no longer have culpability for past wrong doing (nor do heads of state)

Future Terrorist acts will cause reparations to be paid by the offending side (in terms of Land or Money)

Jon Miller

[Natan]

AH, if it's all going to be one big state, why ethnically cleanse all Jews in the West Bank and Gaza?

Kamrat: How would this end the conflict? The establishment of Communism in Eastern europe only heightened that region's ethnic conflicts, and AFAIK the same is true in Asia.

I can't honestly give my opinion on how the conflict should be solved because I really don't have all the facts. The leaders involved have intelligence agencies to find out things we can only guess at. I could post a fantasy solution, but for a real enough program to be useful, I'd need more info.

One thought though: I'm starting to think that the internal divisions within each side are as detrimental to peace as the larger conflict. It seems like a big part of what's driving this is domestic considerations and internal political maneuvering rather than actual ideology and religion.

[Imran Siddiqui]

My idea:

1) Eliminate all Israeli settlements in the West Bank, seeing as they are illegal.

2) Have Israel pull back from the West Bank and Gaza Strip and create a state of Palestine.

3) Make Jerusalem an international city, administered by the UN (or, if we'd be willing, the US).

4) Have fair, impartial, and democratic elections in Palestine, once against overseen by the UN (maybe make Jimmy Carter in charge of it).

5) Force normalization between Israel and all Arab states

This is a plan where the UN could shine (and it desperately needs something like this).

[Lincoln]

Trying to solve this problem is like trying to solve the American Civil War without bloodshed. It has gone too far and there is too much hatred now. I hope that it does not happen but a military confrontation is now inevitable. This problem will be solved by a full scale war. What is my solution? Try to keep the war from spreading and when the participating countries in the middle east are in ruins see if anyone wants to do something different then.

[orange]

Secular, democratic state, Jerusalem the capital with UN supervision.