What would be YOUR solution to the Israel Palestinian conflict?

[Alexander's Horse]

Mine would be:

. multicultural state, possibly federal

. return of all Palestinian land and property taken since 1948 or compensation for same.

. dismantling of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Gaza and compensation for settlers

. Right of return for all Palestinian refugees, including to Israel

. Jerusalem declared an international city administered by the UN and shared by all faiths.

. All Arab lands returned, some areas such as the Golan Heights possibly demilitarised/Un administered.

[Eli]

Dont forget the concentration camps that will follow.

My solution to the current wave of terror is a pure military one. Operation "Defensive Wall" had proven that when we are inside their cities there is no terror. Day after we left Tul Karem, a suicide bomber from there exploded in Haifa(8 Jews will be buried tommorow thanks to Bush's "I meant what I said").

[Ecthy]

Re: What would be YOUR solution to the Israel Palestinian conflict?

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
. Jerusalem declared an international city administered by the UN and shared by all faiths.

such as they did with Danzig and the Memel land?

[Alexander's Horse]

Sort of although I was thinking more along the lines of the Vatican.

I think the multicultural state is probably unrealistic but I'm loathe to give up the idea that different ethnic communities should be able to live together in peace.

[Ecthy]

the Memel area was annexed by Lithuania, Danzig by Poland

great solution

[Sava]

Get rid of the Palestinian Authority.

Institute a Democratic Palestinian State.

If there is resistance, more suicide bombings, then move out all Palestinians and expel them from the area. (This would start WWIII, but after the Western Powers are victrorious, we can democratize the entire region)

Give the Palestinians a chance for a democratic State, but if the terrorism doesn't stop, then they should lose the privilage of living there.

Once all Palestinians are expelled, create an International UN City, and slowly allow Palestinians to return.

[Zoid]

Horsie:

A bit of commie raving:

Dismantle the state of Israel and create in its place the socialist republic of Palestine with equal rights for all.

"The main enemy is in our own country!" - this was what Karl Liebknecht had to say to the workers when imperialists and social democrats were inciting them to the slaughter of their fellow workers in other countries. In this spirit we say to the Jewish and Arab workers: the enemy is in your own camp!

Jewish workers! Get rid of the Zionist provocateurs who tell you to sacrifice yourself on the altar of the state!

Arab worker and fellah! Get rid of the chauvinist provocateurs who are getting you into a mess of blood for their own sake and pocket.

Workers of the two peoples, unite in a common front against imperialism and its agents!

[/commie raving]

[laurentius]

I think western world should declare a war against the state of israel. Once it is defeated, administration of the Holy land (Israel/Palestina/Judea/whateveryouwannacallit) should be given to the UN. For me the current state of Israel has no legitimate reason to exist. An apartheid system of people believing they are the superrace is something very, very sick to me. Boring hordes of jewish fools gathered to the settlements from america and russia...Just a buch of schmucks

[The diplomat]

Re: What would be YOUR solution to the Israel Palestinian conflict?

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Mine would be:

. multicultural state, possibly federal

. return of all Palestinian land and property taken since 1948 or compensation for same.

. dismantling of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Gaza and compensation for settlers

. Right of return for all Palestinian refugees, including to Israel

. Jerusalem declared an international city administered by the UN and shared by all faiths.

. All Arab lands returned, some areas such as the Golan Heights possibly demilitarised/Un administered.

You solution would simply lead to the destruction of Israel. Here is what would happen in your scenario: Israel would give back land and dismantle its settlements, making it more vulnerable to attacks and making thousands of Israeli citizens angry at the loss of their property and resentful against the Palestinians. Then all the Palestinian so called "refugees" return, completely overwhelming Israel's demographic make-up. Jerusalem is declared an international city but the Arabs would announce that it all belongs to them, and dance in the streets that "Allah has finally saved Al-Aqsa". The Israeli would be denied their religious rights to visit the Wall causing serious anger against thr Palestinians. The bottom line, is that the Israel would become incredibly weak, the Arabs would turn around and cause more attacks and assaults until Isreal were destroyed.

My solution is the following:

1) Dismantle all the Palestinian terrorist groups completely.
2) Require that the PLO completely halt all incitement to violence, and all anti-israeli propaganda. They must cease all "educational" programs that teach antisemitism to young people, and replace them with programs preaching tolerance and the rights of Israel to exist. They must acknowledge Israel's sovereign right to exist.
3)Israel would withdraw from the West Bank and Gaza that was given to the Palestinian and acknowledge the sovereign rights for a Palestinian State.
4) There would be a buffer zone, heavily guarded on the Israeli side, between Israel and the new Palestinian State to prevent any possible terrorist attacks from entering Israeli territory.

[Dry]

In the name of democracy

Originally posted by Sava
Give the Palestinians a chance for a democratic State, but if the terrorism doesn't stop, then they should lose the privilage of living there.

Tell that to Mr Sharon.
He is against a democratic Palestinan state. All his actions are to push the palestinians into the arms of the terrorists.
And be happy, he will reach his goal. Once all palestinians will be so pissed-of, that they see no other solution than the hizbollah, he will be able to get rid of them righteously (exile, diaspora: if he his 'nice'; genocide if he is 'evil'... only history will tell).
Nice program. Peace at the end.
At least for some years and then... in 2000 years or so... they will come back.
But that's not Mr Sharon's problem.

That what the Israeli's democraticly voted for.

In the name of freedom, in the name of democracy.

[Rasputin]

Easy AH. move all the Pals into your suburb in Australia... I bet they would much prefer to live here with us than over there in the desert any day

[Jac de Molay]

Naivete pondering...

Easy AH. move all the Pals into your suburb in Australia... I bet they would much prefer to live here with us than over there in the desert any day

Actually, I was thinking along the same lines. Since Detroit and the surrounding areas has the largest Arab population outside the Middle East, we would welcome Pal refugees with open arms. Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that, and I would be called naive, right? I guess no more naive than some people who think that some tiny, barren strip of land is considered "Holy", and are willing to trade any number of innocent lives to retain possession over it.

Dave

[our_man]

I more or less agree with what AH's solution. I posted something along similar lines in another thread. The Israeli settlements should be dismantled in the West Bank and Gaza - the Israeli's had no right to build settlements there and they only serve as a focal point for resentment. What they are doing in Palestine is more or less the same what the English did to the Irish during the 16th-18th centuries, albeit that the English did a more succesful job of displacing the native population.

I don't think that all Palestinian property taken from 1948 should be returned (I'm a bit foggy as to how much the Israeli's actually took in the War of Independence) as it would pobably make the Israeli state unviable, but all the land taken during the 1967 war should be returned (with the exception of the Golan heights - that land was seized from Syria and hence has no relevance to the Palestinian question). They should hold onto this as a bargaining chip for peace with Syria. Any territory which Israel wishes to hold onto and the Palestinians are willing to accede to should be met with compensation.

I believe letting the Palestinian refugees return to Israel proper would be a very bad idea. The Palestinians reproduce so much that they would eventually become the majority population in Israel - the entire Jewish way of life would be under threat. Eventually Israel would cease to exist as the Palestinian majority would vote to become part of Palestine. Even if they live in Israel and take Israeli citizenship, I am of the opinion that the Arabs will never consider themselves to be Israeli and hence have no loyalty to her.

Jerusalem should be declared an international city administered by the UN with freedom for ALL religions to practice their faith and live in peace. I don't believe that the Arabs would then claim it as their own and try and intimidate the other religions there, it wouldn't go down to well in the rest of the world - just let them try, and see what happens

The question is though - if the Israelis gave back the West Bank and Gaza, would it be enough? Or would we then have a situation where the Arabs keep on demanding more and more. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is probably what the Israelis are afraid of if they decide to reach an agreement with the Arabs.

[Eli]

Originally posted by our_man I don't believe that the Arabs would then claim it as their own and try and intimidate the other religions there, it wouldn't go down to well in the rest of the world - just let them try, and see what happens

They tried it on September 28th 2001, and we all know what happened.

[MattHiggs]

I'd probably just carpet bomb the whole area. Problem solved.