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I'd vote for everything except the Red Terror (that was not caused by communism nor is that kind of thing unique to communism), however if it came down to it, I think I'd pick the Cultural Revolution. AFAIK China is still suffering from that insanity.
The Red Terror was nothing compared to the White Terror.
If you're talking about the first purges in Bolshevik Russia, the reason they succeeded was because they were much nastier than what the Whites were doing. If you're talking about what happened in Bavaria, I know very little about that.
I'm gonna have to go with the Ukrainian Genocide, though it wasn't specifically targetted at Ukrainians, and it wasn't a genocide. Still, it was the first deliberate mass murder carried out in our movement's name, and the biggest stain we have.
I would definitely call it genocide. It was deliberately induced starvation directed aganst the inhabitants of the Ukraine for wanting independance.
The Great Leap Forward was not a crime, but a well-intended disaster.
I propose that we edit all history books dealing with this catastrophe, renaming it the 'Great Leap Backwards'.
Ukranian genocide?
WTF???
What the .... are you talking about? Were did you took those myth?
Can anyone enlight me about this "genocide"?
I know nothing about such events. I know about great hunger, I know about Stalin's "collectivization", but Ukranian genocide?
Very interesting version of events.
Originally posted by Sava
Communism was worse than Fascism.
Um...really? Hadn't noticed...
Communism's not the greatest ideology in the world, but Fascism is thousands of times worse...
"Love the earth and sun and animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God, have patience and indulgence toward the people, take off your hat to nothing known or unknown . . . reexamine all you have been told at school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem and have the richest fluency" - Walt Whitman
Um...really? Hadn't noticed...
Communism's not the greatest ideology in the world, but Fascism is thousands of times worse...
Just compare the death counts. In WWII alone, Stalin killed abuot 2x more people than Hitler.
Also, compare the standard of living. If you were a non-Jewish German living in Nazi Germany, life was very good. If you were a Russian in the Soviet Union, life was very bad.
Don't get me wrong, I hate Nazis. They killed half my family on my mother's side of the family. My grandmother watched two of her brother's get bayonnetted, and my grandfather was 1 of 6 survivors of a 500 person massacre. The only way he survived was he fell under dead bodies as they were lined up and shot.
I'm just saying that Fascism was better than Communism. Unfortunately, that's like saying getting hit by a car and dying is better than getting burned alive.
Originally posted by Serb
Ukranian genocide?
WTF???
What the .... are you talking about? Were did you took those myth?
Oh, come on! Even you can not be this dense. Even the Apolyton arch-commie knew what I was refering to.
FYI: The name refers to the artificial famine in the Ukraine in 1932-33 that had been instigated by Josepf Stalin & Lazar Kaganovich. The goal of this action was to break the spirit of the Ukrainian farmer and force them into collectivization. Apparently the fact that it cost cost the lives of 7 to 10 million people was incidental to them.
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Originally posted by Heresson
haven't heard of any!
Heard of any what?
I would have thought that you, being Polish and all, would have something to say about the suppression of Solidarity.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
Just compare the death counts. In WWII alone, Stalin killed abuot 2x more people than Hitler.
Your grasp of statistics is lacking.
Stalin had far more control over a far larger number of people over a much longer time than Hitler ever did. Stalin may have killed more people, but Hitler was a far more "efficient" killer.
I don't think communism was any better than fascism, but your argument was a strawman.
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Originally posted by Serb
Ukranian genocide?
WTF???
What the .... are you talking about? Were did you took those myth?
Can anyone enlight me about this "genocide"? I know nothing about such events. I know about great hunger, I know about Stalin's "collectivization", but Ukranian genocide?
Very interesting version of events.
Guy, why do you insist on quoting Sava? Some of us have him on our ignore lists.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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