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Originally posted by Wiglaf
I want some arguments. The truth is, there never was an argument that homosexuality is a positive trait. The real issue was what to do about it.
You will get arguments once you provide something that is valid and makes sense, and is not hateful.
Hope you gays of Apolyton realize that, as much as it's fine to be happy with yourself (although as was said earlier that doesn't mean much), you ought to try and change as your behavior is not very rewarding to the species as a whole. At all.
Actually it curbs the population growth marginally. Population is exploding and soon there won't be any resources left, so I think homosexuality is positive, but it will never grow past 5%-10% (depending on either a conservative or liberal statistic) demographic.
Again, I want someone to tell me homosexuality is good for the species with a straight face and an argument to back it.
Well it could curb population growth marginally. Now tell me why it is really bad without giving me bull****.
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Originally posted by Wiglaf
Whatever Gianny. Go all super marine ape robot on me.
I want some arguments. The truth is, there never was an argument that homosexuality is a positive trait. The real issue was what to do about it.
Hope you gays of Apolyton realize that, as much as it's fine to be happy with yourself (although as was said earlier that doesn't mean much), you ought to try and change as your behavior is not very rewarding to the species as a whole. At all.
Again, I want someone to tell me homosexuality is good for the species with a straight face and an argument to back it.
Tell me how religion is good for the species as a whole.
How is hunting good for modern society as a whole?
How is war good for the species as a whole?
does this mean we can give tax breaks to republicans who vote democratic?
None of those are biological issues, faeelin. None of those are counter-evolutionary (disrupt one of man's most powerful natural drives).
Well it could curb population growth marginally. Now tell me why it is really bad without giving me bull****.
Birth defects also curb population growth marginally...what's your point? They're still negative.
During any debate, the burden of the proof is on the proposition of the argument. You don't seem to realise that - you present an argument and then demand links from a single 'trusted' source to prove the opposition's case, without ever providing any proof or any links yourself. You can't expect your arguments to stand without proof.
Gianny presented the argument that homosexuals make up a certain percent of the population or whatever. He can't just go around willy-nilly making all sorts of bull**** claims like that expecting me to prove and disprove all of it for him. Nice try though.
Keep up your anti gay crap, and we won't have to read your bigoted garbage
How is any of what I said bigoted (again, if you think this is bad you ain't seen bigoted...)? Care to explain how homosexuality is a positive evolutionary trait, Ming? You really can't...I'm stating the truth here.
And if we've really reached the point in culture where you can't discuss the serious downsides of being gay...how pathetic is that. (for the record, it's ming's exact overly PC attitude now that will actually lead to the eventual spread of homosexuality in the future..forget that 10% figure)
Gianny presented the argument that homosexuals make up a certain percent of the population or whatever. He can't just go around willy-nilly making all sorts of bull**** claims like that expecting me to prove and disprove all of it for him. Nice try though.
Once again, YOU started this post. Where are YOUR LINKS to prove that homosexuality is a negative trait.
You always divert attention from the gaping holes in your arguements by demanding links. So, for the gaping holes in my arguements, where are your links?
does this explain it to you, or do I need to type with smaller words?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!
How is any of what I said bigoted (again, if you think this is bad you ain't seen bigoted...)? Care to explain how homosexuality is a positive evolutionary trait, Ming? You really can't...I'm stating the truth here.
definition of bigot
bigot: an obstinate and intolerant believer in a religion, political theory, ETC.
Based on that, I would say you fit the definition from your past posts on this thread.
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Our biological purpose is to reproduce (unless you disagree?).
I already said I disagree. To prove you wrong, I pointed to social insects. They do not reproduce. If you are going to say that every single organism's purpose is to reporduce, you have to explain why sterile worker insects do not.
Those people who have claimed that they have changed, have not really changed their sexual orientation. They only changed their behavior -- acting straight, when they will always be gay for the rest of their lives.
The prevelant hatred towards homosexuals has caused some gays to be manipulated into believing they can change their sexual orientation.
And I do not believe in the social double standards saying that heterosexuals can behave as couples in public, but not homosexuals.
Our society use to have social double standards based on race -- it was called Jim Crow. But then we realized how wrong those social double standards were.
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Originally posted by Wiglaf
Gianny presented the argument that homosexuals make up a certain percent of the population or whatever. He can't just go around willy-nilly making all sorts of bull**** claims like that expecting me to prove and disprove all of it for him. Nice try though.
Oh no, good try to you. I wasn't talking about any small percentage of this argument - I was talking about the whole thing. Not once in this thread have you provided links or any other form of proof. You're a bull****ter, Wiggy, pure and simple.
"Love the earth and sun and animals, despise riches, give alms to every one that asks, stand up for the stupid and crazy, devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not concerning God, have patience and indulgence toward the people, take off your hat to nothing known or unknown . . . reexamine all you have been told at school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem and have the richest fluency" - Walt Whitman
What have I said requires a link? Nothing. I'm asking a simple question/favor: I want someone here to tell me how homosexuality could ever be a positive evolutionary trait in general (going by the rather accepted notion that being born with no limbs is negative). Right now.
Oh, btw, I really found this damn hilarious:
You always divert attention from the gaping holes in your arguements by demanding links. So, for the gaping holes in my arguements, where are your links?
First off, it's "arguments" not "arguements".
Second off, I said a link "would be nice" once in this thread to Gianny. That's about it. And if you had been following the conversation at all you also would've realized I accepted his little 5-10% figure regardless.
Aw hell, I'll admit it. I always divert attention from failing arguments by demanding links. You've found me out.
Whatever.
bigot: an obstinate and intolerant believer in a religion, political theory, ETC.
Based on that, I would say you fit the definition from your past posts on this thread.
So we've gotten to the point in society where we can't even admit homosexuality denies normal reproduction and as such is a generally bad trait for a species to walk around with? Once again, whatever. And since I don't exactly see you telling me how being gay furthers the species either, it's about time to put up or shut up.
Sidenote: I think it's telling the only things you guys managed to respond to in my last post had to do with links and definitions. Nothing about the actual issue at hand.
Originally posted by Wiglaf
Sidenote: I think it's telling the only things you guys managed to respond to in my last post had to do with links and definitions. Nothing about the actual issue at hand.
The issue at hand was whether gay people who go to therapy to become heterosexual should get a tax deduction.
The answer is NO.
Now will you let this thing die?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!
So we've gotten to the point in society where we can't even admit homosexuality denies normal reproduction and as such is a generally bad trait for a species to walk around with? Once again, whatever. And since I don't exactly see you telling me how being gay furthers the species either, it's about time to put up or shut up.
So in other words, all heterosexual couples who choose not to perpetuate the human species should be condemnded as well??
Anyway, there are ways that homosexual couples can perpetuate posterity, as I and others have already mentioned.
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