Where did the world's first civilization appear?

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Originally posted by paiktis22

Now there are rumours about him being in a hareem

Originally posted by Ethelred

The people that have studied what they can of Linear A seem to think the language is not Indo-European which would make them significantly different from Greeks. However they could still both be from Asia Minor. OF course the linguistic study could easily be wrong since its only based on the characteristics of Linear A that appear to differ from Linear B.

Since Linear A hasn't been decoded yet any relation with Indo-European language brach cannot be attempted.
So linguistic relations cannot be made.

Originally posted by Ethelred

Well the Doric invasion came shortly after the Trojan War but I must admit I know very little about it. Modern Greeks have also been subjected to several later invasions plus its likely some of the Greek mercenaries could have brought back foreign wives and certainly brought foreign slaves back. Maybe even from India.

Yes, lot of mixup have been done here in Greece. The same goes around the world since most nations are greatly mixed up.
However the Mediterranean characteristics in Greece are still dominant in most occations.

Originally posted by Ethelred

There were quite a few city-states in the Mycenean period but the only one I am aware of that wasn't sacked in the Doric invasions was Athens.

Yes, Athens wasn't sacked. Dorians went mostly in Peloponnesos, Crete and Southwest Minor Asia plus parts of Central Greece and some Aegean islands. The rest of Greece wasn't infested

Originally posted by Ethelred

I don't know if the Dorians were around that area much then. Certainly they were later. The people called Mycenean Greeks never called themselves that. Its a purely modern term. One that didn't arise till archeology became a major contributor to history.

Sorry, my mistake. Misspell. I meant Danaos (in singular).
Dorians came in Greece around 1100 BC.

I don't know how they were calling themselves and possibly none archeologist knows.
It is a modern term but the name Mycenae is ancient if I am correct.

Originally posted by Ethelred

Well most Americans anyway. Lots do but many don't. Heck a lot don't much US history. We do have a lot of experts on TV sitcoms.

Geography is little taught in the US for some reason. I had geography when I was in Catholic school but not a bit after that through 6 years of Juniour and Senior High School. One class in college.

I see. Well, the same happens here in Greece but Geography is teached in school but still less than history.
I think people worldwide don't like much either history or geography so it must be matter of personality rather of a nation

I was just trolling GP

Originally posted by Ethelred

Cyprus is not part of Asia or Europe. Its an island. Just ask the Brits if they are European.

Then lot of Greek islands, Sicily, Sardinia, Corsica, etc. are not part of Europe either
Land worldwide is splited into continents, including islands. Some accommodations are made.

Originally posted by Ethelred

I did look at the CIA site. They call it part of the Middle East. Obviously the CIA does not speak for everyone but they do hire experts for their studies and they can't afford to let politics get to far in the way of reality.

Ethelred, CIA is not a specialized geographical site. They might take notice of some parameters that geographers don't and consider Cyprus for their reasons as part of Middle East therefore Asia.
I have read lot of geographical books, atlases, maps, turistic guides etc. and most of them list the countries according to the continent they are part of. I have never seen Cyprus as part of Asia but always as part of Europe.

According to "Dorling Kindersley" (2000, United Kingdom) and "Grand Larousse" (2001, France) Cyprus is part of Europe.
However according to "Microsoft Encarta Inceractive World Atlas 2001" (2001, USA) Cyprus is part of Asia (I just read it).
So I guess for European geographers Cyprus is European country and for the American (USA) geographers is Asian country
I'd like to see an American geography book as well.

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Ethelred, CIA is not a specialized geographical site.

No it isn't. Its geopolitics in this case. I have a link that I use for a quick check on countries. All kinds of stuff on a lot of countries. It has an inherently political point of view. Usefull when a country I don't know much about hits the news. Here is the link.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/

I thinks its nice the the US now has so much information online. We the People spent the money to collect it and now We the People can actually access a lot of it. Making the government more the way it is supposed to be here.

So I guess for European geographers Cyprus is European country and for the American (USA) geographers is Asian country

I think of it as Europrean. The Middle East is more Mediterranean to Americans rather than it is Asian.

Turkey is a bit of mix in itself. Half Middle East yet its finance is more linked with Europe. Plus its the only Islamic nation with a real democratic government. A couple of other Islamic countries have tried democracy and failed to handle it very well.

At least they aren't run by fratricidal monarchs anymore. Suleyman the Magnificent my bleep. Psychotic brother murdering monster is more like it.

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Originally posted by Ethelred


No it isn't. Its geopolitics in this case. I have a link that I use for a quick check on countries. All kinds of stuff on a lot of countries. It has an inherently political point of view. Usefull when a country I don't know much about hits the news. Here is the link.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/

I thinks its nice the the US now has so much information online. We the People spent the money to collect it and now We the People can actually access a lot of it. Making the government more the way it is supposed to be here.

I have visited the link in the past.
It's a nice one indeed.

Originally posted by Ethelred

Turkey is a bit of mix in itself. Half Middle East yet its finance is more linked with Europe. Plus its the only Islamic nation with a real democratic government. A couple of other Islamic countries have tried democracy and failed to handle it very well.

At least they aren't run by fratricidal monarchs anymore. Suleyman the Magnificent my bleep. Psychotic brother murdering monster is more like it.

Yes and no. Military is still running things in Turkey.

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Cyprus is not part of Asia or Europe. Its an island.

So, is then Mainau, an island in the Lake of Constance (between Germany, Switzerland, and Austria), part of Europe or not?

Just ask the Brits if they are European.

Depends, whether they are asked by a French or American.