The War on Terrorism is a Farce!

[Gatekeeper]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

And *you* do, Imran? Sorry, but there was more to Clinton's foreign policy than "Wag the Dog."

Name it. Clinton HAD no foriegn policy and most of what he did in the world was 'Wag the Dog'. Diversionary Tactics were his speciality.

I am *not* going to do *your* homework for you, Imran. All you have to do is perform a general Internet search (probably "Clinton + Foreign + Policy" will turn something up) or, even better, go to other news sources'* archives and do some digging. You're a student, Imran. Digging for information should be something of an art form for you. It sure was for me when I was at university and having to do homework, term papers, research papers and whatnot.

Gatekeeper

*I recommend The Associated Press, Knight-Ridder Tribune and then major newspapers/television stations' *non-editorial* news parts. Or you can specialize even more by digging into scholarly works.

[Bereta_Eder]

Re: The War on Terrorism is a Farce!

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
This war on terrorism is nuts. I can see retaliation for the destruction of the World Trade Center, but a worldwide War on Terror? What hypocrisy.

I mean, look at the history of the US, we haven't been shy about using terror in the past. Our revolutionary past is filled with acts of terrorism (what, you thought tar and feathering feels nice?). Mobs gathered up tax collectors and tortured them before killing them (what do you think tar and feathering is), they massacred loyalists. And we claim moral superiority?

We decry killing of civilians in Israel... do we forget our own history? There were civilians we killed in Sherman's march towards the sea, the firebombing of Dresden, the massacres in Vietnam and Korea, and, most spectacularly, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But you say, this is war. What do you think Palestinians feel? They feel they've been in war with the Israelis since 1948. Why is their killing of civilians worse than our own?

We are being hypocrites on the world stage, by denouncing terrorism so strongly, yet sponsering it whenever we needed to defeat Communism. We've used terrorism to great results, so to declare war on it is patently absurd.

PS. This isn't a David-Floyd-My-Password-Has-Been-Stolen post. I actually believe this, and it has been building up.

PPS. You Euros aren't off the hook either. The terrorism that was done during the religious wars of the 16th and 17th Centuries and the terrorism during the Colonial Era was no better than what the United States has done since its founding.

It never ceases to amaze me, why does it take you so long to notice the obvious?!

Of course it's better late than never

there's still hope for you republican

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Gatekeeper
I am *not* going to do *your* homework for you, Imran. All you have to do is perform a general Internet search (probably "Clinton + Foreign + Policy" will turn something up) or, even better, go to other news sources'* archives and do some digging. You're a student, Imran. Digging for information should be something of an art form for you. It sure was for me when I was at university and having to do homework, term papers, research papers and whatnot.

For what? To find out something which I know doesn't exist? Hell, I'm a Political Science major, with a concentration in International Relations. I KNOW he didn't have a coherant foriegn policy, and so do a vast majority of IR specialists.

And paiktis... nice to join the club, comrade .

[Saint Marcus]

Imran

[Jon Miller]

Re: The War on Terrorism is a Farce!

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
This war on terrorism is nuts. I can see retaliation for the destruction of the World Trade Center, but a worldwide War on Terror? What hypocrisy.

I mean, look at the history of the US, we haven't been shy about using terror in the past. Our revolutionary past is filled with acts of terrorism (what, you thought tar and feathering feels nice?). Mobs gathered up tax collectors and tortured them before killing them (what do you think tar and feathering is), they massacred loyalists. And we claim moral superiority?

We decry killing of civilians in Israel... do we forget our own history? There were civilians we killed in Sherman's march towards the sea, the firebombing of Dresden, the massacres in Vietnam and Korea, and, most spectacularly, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But you say, this is war. What do you think Palestinians feel? They feel they've been in war with the Israelis since 1948. Why is their killing of civilians worse than our own?

We are being hypocrites on the world stage, by denouncing terrorism so strongly, yet sponsering it whenever we needed to defeat Communism. We've used terrorism to great results, so to declare war on it is patently absurd.

PS. This isn't a David-Floyd-My-Password-Has-Been-Stolen post. I actually believe this, and it has been building up.

PPS. You Euros aren't off the hook either. The terrorism that was done during the religious wars of the 16th and 17th Centuries and the terrorism during the Colonial Era was no better than what the United States has done since its founding.

Imran

the key point is that the Palestines act like a state of war exists with Isael, but they (and the world) say that Israel cannot act in a like matter.

That is thew issue.

Jon Miller

[Arrian]

Personally, the self-righteous rhetoric of my government pisses me off somethin' fierce. Saying that does not mean I support terrorism - it's merely an extreme dislike of hypocrisy.

I'd rather we were a bit more straightforward about things - no one believes the rhetoric anyway, except some of us.

How about: "We have suffered terror attacks. We will now hunt down and capture or kill those who we believe were involved in these attacks. We will do our best to target the guilty, but some innocents will be killed."

That's it. No fancy crap about "Enduring Freedom" or "Axis of Evil." Say it like it is.

-Arrian

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Arrian
Personally, the self-righteous rhetoric of my government pisses me off somethin' fierce. Saying that does not mean I support terrorism - it's merely an extreme dislike of hypocrisy.

I'd rather we were a bit more straightforward about things - no one believes the rhetoric anyway, except some of us.

How about: "We have suffered terror attacks. We will now hunt down and capture or kill those who we believe were involved in these attacks. We will do our best to target the guilty, but some innocents will be killed."

That's it. No fancy crap about "Enduring Freedom" or "Axis of Evil." Say it like it is.

-Arrian

What are you, nuts? Come on, get with the program here. You gotta get your priorities straight. These people have elections to win!

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Guynemer

What are you, nuts? Come on, get with the program here. You gotta get your priorities straight. These people have elections to win!

So long as it appeals to the average American voter, who cares what the rest of the world thinks, right?

-Arrian

[Imran Siddiqui]

Isreal already acts like a state of war exists. See how many more Palestinians have died that Israelis.

[Imran Siddiqui]

There is actually a theory in IR called the Election Year Hypothesis (or something like that) saying that chances for war increase as the presidential election year in the US approaches .

[Lincoln]

Remember what happened to George W's father... I think that the son needs to keep the "war"going at least until the 2004 election.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Heh, maybe that is what he is counting on.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Heh, maybe that is what he is counting on.

I thought he counted on his fingers.

No, wait, he does this with his fingers.

[KrazyHorse]

Sweet.

[Peacemaker]

The war on Terrorism is a Farce

Congrats Imran you do get it.

The "war" is just a way to impose the wants of the govt on the rest of the world and keep the mind numbed masses happy.