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  • #46
    Originally posted by cia
    And if Arafat is not responsible for the Hamas and PLO attacks how is the US culpable for somthing a dictator it backs does?
    Just wanted to reiterate this point

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    • #47
      Re: Re: This thread is getting more and more trollish

      Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


      You mean that total BS of a 'peace agreement'

      They knew Arafat could accept it... and have Jerusalem blocked off to them? Yeah right.
      I assume it was "couldn't" accept it.

      From the politcal analysis I've read, Arafat had the mandate from arab countries to accept what he wanted.

      Furthermore, I'm not sure, but I think we granted them some sort of rule over east Jerusalem.

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      • #48
        Just wanted to reiterate this point


        Why? The US government has control over who it backs and doesn't. Arafat doesn't have a choice over who lives in his state .
        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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        • #49
          Imran, I understand that your country's past troubles you.

          However, in the current situation, your country does have a moral high ground.

          Assuming it stopped employing terror, it has full right to retaliate against the current terror, and to decide to rid the world of terror.

          It's never too late to wise up.

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          • #50
            But Siro... it is stupid.

            It just reiterates the idea that the US is trying to tell everyone else what to do. That and the cost of the whole thing... Yikes!
            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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            • #51
              Imran, you're a farce. You got all worried, when we talked about attacking Afghanistan and claimed we wouldn't get Pakistani cooperation. I have a hard time taking seriously the angst of a 23-year old who doesn't have the guts/honesty to introduce his non-Muslim g/f to his Muslim parents.

              A Rutgers poly sci guy with your language abilities could be uesful to this country...if you really loved it and if you had some guts. I get the impression you are more of a "milk and honey" type guy. So I'm not too worried about you getting scared.

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              • #52


                So I don't love this country because I'm critical of it? I thought that was a right of mine? In fact the best patriots are those that question what we are doing (King, Jr. comes to mind).
                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                  Just wanted to reiterate this point


                  Why? The US government has control over who it backs and doesn't. Arafat doesn't have a choice over who lives in his state
                  tsk tsk tsk.


                  Arafat has control over his jails.
                  And by setting hundreds of terrorists free in the autumn of 2000, he proved himself directly responsible.

                  Proofs have been found in the Orient house, that Arafat pays known terrorists from the Fatah Al-aksa brigades and the Tanzim. A document ordering payment to know terrorists signed by him was found.

                  The terrorist that blew up yesterday, was reported by Israel over half a year ago. He was arrested and released after a short while.

                  Then, in the recent period Israel again requested to stop him. Nothing was done. Even though Israel stopped fire with Zinni's arrival.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                    Why? The US government has control over who it backs and doesn't. Arafat doesn't have a choice over who lives in his state .
                    Abbas Zaki, a member of the Central Committee of Fatah, said that Hamas’s attacks “strengthen the Palestinian position. . . . It would be dangerous to stop these actions, because the accords will crumble if there is nothing to make Israel go forward.”

                    The PLO-PA’s Justice Minister Freih Abu Medein, declared that “the PLO and the [Hamas] opposition complement each other. . . . We regard Hamas and Islamic Jihad as national elements. . . . The main enemy, now and forever, is Israel.”
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                      But Siro... it is stupid.

                      It just reiterates the idea that the US is trying to tell everyone else what to do. That and the cost of the whole thing... Yikes!
                      As long as US is telling everyone to do the right thing - fine.

                      A complete and utter war on terror is in place now, or in the future, terror attacks such as 9/11 will be very very widespread.

                      1st step - destroying current terror foundations.

                      2nd step - investing in economy and education of states who are potencially a terrorist haven.

                      Granted, the US have successfully forgot to fulfil the 2nd step in all wars except WWII. In WWII it did support germany and the allies started "de-nazification". That's why there are little Nazis there now.

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                      • #56
                        And certain members of the US government say things like kill all Muslims (some Republican in Congress actually said something like this), Dino... so?

                        Siro... are terrorists to be locked up for life? Maybe their term was up. The fact is that Arafat CANNOT stop Hamas or Islamic Jihad. The US can easily withdraw support of a dictator... like Saddam when he took Kuwait.
                        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                        • #57
                          As long as US is telling everyone to do the right thing - fine.


                          You mean when we bombed Sudan, because they were involved in terrorism and ended up hitting a medical plant?

                          A lot of times we aren't doing things for the right thing, but for the political thing.
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                            And certain members of the US government say things like kill all Muslims (some Republican in Congress actually said something like this), Dino... so?
                            They usually get rebuked by someone higher up. Show me where Arafat rebuked the people shouting "Kill all Jews!"
                            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                            • #59
                              He has in the past... the media just doesn't like to put it on Page 1.
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                                He has in the past... the media just doesn't like to put it on Page 1.
                                That's a non-answer. If I can dig up quotes from the 90's, you can to.
                                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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