Abortion: A 'right' that is wrong? (two theses for debate)

[*End Is Forever*]

MrFun,

3) incest

Why incest?

Incestuous pregnancies increase the chances of genetic complications. Therefore, if you were to be consistent, if incest is to be a factor in abortion then so should the chance of any other inherited genetic condition. Unless, your point was backed up by a religious viewpoint, in which case it should be ignored.

[Ramo]

I think that before the first trimester, abortion should be totally legal due to its underdeveloped brain and nervous system. Afterwards, abortion should be legal only in cases of rape or when the mother's life is in danger.

But if the fetus is a living human how is abortion not murder?

The premise is that a woman can do whatever she wants with her body since it's her property.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by *End Is Forever*
MrFun,



Why incest?

Incestuous pregnancies increase the chances of genetic complications. Therefore, if you were to be consistent, if incest is to be a factor in abortion then so should the chance of any other inherited genetic condition. Unless, your point was backed up by a religious viewpoint, in which case it should be ignored.

Unless I am mistaken, familial in-breeding can cause some serious genetic complications in the child-to-be.

But then you're probably wondering if I advocate legal abortion on grounds simply if the fetus will be born with a mental disorder or physical disorder.

No, I would never advocate such a claim. But with the exception of incest, yes, I would.

[*End Is Forever*]

Unless I am mistaken, familial in-breeding can cause some serious genetic complications in the child-to-be.

But then you're probably wondering if I advocate legal abortion on grounds simply if the fetus will be born with a mental disorder or physical disorder.

No, I would never advocate such a claim. But with the exception of incest, yes, I would.

Why except incest? In both cases there's a strong chance of genetic complications. What's the difference?

Either you think that foetuses (foeti?) with a strong risk of genetic complications can be aborted, or you don't. I don't see why you're digging a hole for yourself.

[MrFun]

If I cannot make legitimate exceptions in regards to incest but not any other abnormalties with fetuses, then I guess incest should not be a reason for an abortion.

[*End Is Forever*]

At least now your argument is consistent.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by *End Is Forever*
At least now your argument is consistent.

Yeah -- now that I thought about it some more, my listing incest did not make any sense.

[Tiamat]

Ok for all you guys with a penis.......unless you have been in the position to have to make the decision to have an abortion then you really have no room for debate on this issue.

You can debate and debate until you are blue in the face but unless you've stood in that person's shoes, felt the indecision, felt the hopelessness of what do I do, how do I handle this, how do I pay for this, how do I tell my family, how do I tell his family, can I raise a child, will he help, and if I do this will I be damned to hell forever??!??? Unless you know what that feels like then it's all pure conjecture.

You have no idea the depths that a decision like that effects your life, not just for that moment but for the rest of your life.

[Skanky Burns]

Originally posted by Giant_Squid
If the former, then there's always the cliched (but only because it's so true) argument that the mother could put the kid up for adoption and that, in my opinion, a bad life is probably better than no life at all (and if you're about to disagree, explain why you haven't committed suicide yet).

I have to disagree with you on that one. A bad life is not worth living, especially when you know that the life being brought into the world will be a painful and pointless one.

Firstly, many people do commit suicide, even though it goes against self-preservation and brings a high level short-term pain.

Second, many people who don't take the drastic step of suicide turn to drugs to escape from reality. Hard drugs that very quickly reduce the persons quality of life.

So how could either of these be better than never living at all??

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Tiamat
Ok for all you guys with a penis.......unless you have been in the position to have to make the decision to have an abortion then you really have no room for debate on this issue.

You can debate and debate until you are blue in the face but unless you've stood in that person's shoes, felt the indecision, felt the hopelessness of what do I do, how do I handle this, how do I pay for this, how do I tell my family, how do I tell his family, can I raise a child, will he help, and if I do this will I be damned to hell forever??!??? Unless you know what that feels like then it's all pure conjecture.

You have no idea the depths that a decision like that effects your life, not just for that moment but for the rest of your life.

Hey now!!

Maybe you have no idea how some guys like me have made a serious effort in trying to understand the issue as much as possible.

I have mentioned here on this thread about the pyschological, physical, and social trauma that a woman suffers after going through an abortion.

I try to understand as much as possible how abortion is a very difficult and painful decision for most women to make.

Don't start ranting about how ALL men behave and think the same.

[Blisterz]

Its pretty simple to me...

-Do i like/agree with abortion? In most cases, No (who the **** likes abortion?)

-Do I have the right to tell someone else what they can do with their own body? No I do/should not.

[*End Is Forever*]

So we can't discuss it at all?

[MrFun]

Don't worry guys -- I told Tiamat off I think.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Skanky Burns


I have to disagree with you on that one. A bad life is not worth living, especially when you know that the life being brought into the world will be a painful and pointless one.

[Devil's Advocate] You know, some people would argue that ALS makes life not worth living, painful and pointless. Stephen Hawking might disagree, however. [/Devil's Advocate]

For the record: I support full reproductive rights for women.

[*End Is Forever*]

Amen Blisterz. Absolutely 100% spot on.