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[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Seeker
What was all that '54-40 or fight' nonsense your tribe was spewing around the time of the gold rush days about then?

What was all the diplomacy about trying to fix where the border was?

When the Brits, 'representing' us, sold us out, what big chunk of territory did you get in order to get easier Klondike access?

Oregon Territory: BC, Washington, Orgeon, and Idaho were all part of Oregon Territory and we both claimed it. We split it down the middle.

We didn't need access to the Klondike until the 1890s. We bought Alaska in 1867.

[Shi Huangdi]

I don't see why we wouldn't accept Alberta, because it has oil and we like oil in this country.

Right now there is relative prosperity in Canada, and people normally do not want change when there are good times. If there were a very large recession throughout Canada, it would lead to possibility of Radical action.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
That was on the Princess Charlotte(?) islands, but there was also some dispute wrt what Russia actually had claim to. It had to with the extent of their colonies in the Northwest.

Almost went to war over the islands thing.

When was that?

[KrazyHorse]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again

Canadians are a people who are unhappy where they are, but who are damn sure things would be worse anyplace else.

[Seeker]

"We didn't need access to the Klondike until the 1890s"

Oddly enough, the time of the dispute in question....maybe they don't talk too much about this one in American history, doesn't put you in a very good light.

[Richelieu]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

How much vote tampering are you talking about ?
I've heard/read about the claims, and i even seem to remember that there was proof to that effect but i have no numbers.
Care to share

There were claims that in 4 districts something like 20 000 "No" ballots were rejected without cause. A few electoral officers were fired. It didn't look like it was a conspiracy from the top down, just a few overzealous péquistes...

It's all a big misunderstanding : all the people who had their votes rejected usually spend the winter in Florida. The voting practices aren't as strict down there it seems...

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


When was that?

Can't remember latter part of 19th century. I think the islands were jointly administered. A British pig was killed by an American. Both sides fortified and had a 3-year staring match until they managed to solve the dispute amicably and redrew the border.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
I don't see why we wouldn't accept Alberta, because it has oil and we like oil in this country.

Right now there is relative prosperity in Canada, and people normally do not want change when there are good times. If there were a very large recession throughout Canada, it would lead to possibility of Radical action.

Accepting it into the Union would mar our relations with Canada, as well as feed their paranoia that we are only waiting to gobble them up. Anways, the study I read about was commmissioned under Reagan, so it may well have changed. (I read it in 1987, during the Meech Lake discussions.)

In the event of a seperation of Quebec from Canada, the Maritime provinces also said they would cecede and apply for membership in the US. It was expected that this would precipitate a break up of Canada, where upon the US would more or less have it's choice of provinces. BC was felt as the only real choice, since every other option at the time would have been a drain on the economy. Plus, it would have made the US a contiguous country.

[Seeker]

"managed to solve the dispute amicably and redrew the border."

With amusing consequences for High School students in the future Blaine, Washington....

If you can't trust the Kaiser, who can you trust?!

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Seeker
"managed to solve the dispute amicably and redrew the border."

With amusing consequences for High School students in the future Blaine, Washington....

If you can't trust the Kaiser, who can you trust?!

That's not a zigzag. It's just a line straight across, with a little land dipping down below the border.

[Shadowstrike]

Attempting to absorb Canada sans Quebec will be hell on the American system. The Territories remain sparsely populated. The Maritimes will still have to depend on Equalization payments until the fisheries replenish themselves or they find some new industry. Canada as a whole is less capitalistic then the US (but we have higher taxes). This would mean that combining taxation systems would be a mess, and intergrating our health care plans with American plans will also be a mess. On the plus side, there shouldn't be any -30% to income due to culture difference.... (too much EU2)

[chequita guevara]

Another reason why the US doesn't want Canada. We'd get a viable social-democratic party with it.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Shadowstrike
On the plus side, there shouldn't be any -30% to income due to culture difference.... (too much EU2)

But there'd still be +3 revolt risk due to nationalism.

[DinoDoc]

Che: If we were going to gobble up a Canadian province, Alberta would be the better choice politically and economically for two reasons:

1) As has been already been stated, they have oil which is a big plus.

2) As far as I know, they are the only Canadian province that votes close to the American mainstream.

[chequita guevara]

I'm not arguing for the annexation of Canada or its parts (although I do think that the seperation of us into two countries is a farce). I'm just relating what I read from the Chicago Tribune back 15 years ago. I have written that our government's poistions may have changed.