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  • La Charte de la Langue Français

    For those who are interested, a backgrounder in Quebec's Language Law history. Some of you might be interested in comparing this to the current discussion regarding language in the US. The two main players on the Quebec political scene since ~1970 have been the Liberals (anti-seperatist) and the Parti Québecois (seperatist), who will henceforth be referred to as the PQ.

    1974: The Liberal government passes Bill 22, making French the official language of the province of Quebec. This bill also restricts access to English public schools to children who had at least one parent educated in English in Canada. This last requirement is a deliberate stab at immigrants to Quebec, who aresupposedly eroding the nature of Quebec society by choosing to educate their children in English in large numbers.

    1976: For the first time, the PQ is elected into power. Part of their platform is the pledge to hold a provincial referendum on the issue of Quebec sovereignty.

    1977: Bill 101, also known as "La Charte de la Langue Français" (Charter of the French Language) is passed by the PQ. This law declares French to be the only language allowed on commercial signs in Quebec. It also specifically bans the use of English.

    1980: The first referendum on Quebec sovereignty is held. The "no" side wins by a clear margin ~60%-40%.

    1982: The Charter of Rights and Freedoms is agreed to by all provinces except Quebec. Prime Minister Trudeau signs it into effect, as does the visiting Queen, Elizabeth II. For the first time, Canada has a Constitution. Due to the fact that Quebec did not agree to it, governments here have always maintained that it is illegitimate.

    1988: The Supreme Court of Canada declares Bill 101 unconstitutional. It also decides that requiring the predominance of French on commercial signs would be constitutional. The Liberal government of Quebec passes Bill 78, which allows bilingual signs inside commercial establishments, but retains the French-only requirement for outdoor signs. Knowing that this bill is also unonstitutional, the government invokes the notwithstanding clause of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, making it impossible to contest its unconstitutionality.

    1990: The Meech Lake talks to draft a new Canadian Constitution fall through.

    1992: The Charlottetown accord, a proposed new Canadian Constitution, is signed by the governments of all provinces and territories. When it goes to a nation-wide referendum it is rejected by the populations of 6 provinces and 1 territory: Nova Scotia, Quebec, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, British Columbia and the Yukon. Nationwide, it receives 45% support.

    1993: The United Nations Human Rights Commission declares that Quebec's sign laws contravene international treaties regarding civil and political liberties. The Liberal government of Quebec immediately passes Bill 86 allowing bilingual outdoor commercial signs so long as the French lettering is at least twice as large as the English lettering.

    1995: The second referendum on Quebec sovereignty is held. The "no" side wins a bare majority, rejecting an allegedly unclear question by a less than 1% margin. There are allegations of vote tampering by PQ return officers.

    1999: A Quebec court rules that the province of Quebec must prove that the French language in Quebec is in imminent danger in order to continue to impose language restrictions on commercial signs.

    2000: The Quebec court ruling is overturned by a Quebec superior court. This decision is still being appealed.

    2002: The PQ seem to have tabled the idea of a referendum for the next decade or so. Popular support for sovereignty has fallen since the 1995 referendum, despite the fact that the PQ has won two consecutive majority governments since then.
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  • #2
    Out of curiosity, what would be the effects if Quebec leaves Canada?
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    • #3
      Potentially devastating, potentially minor.

      There's a good possibility that Quebec would remain part of Canada in all but name. If this were the case, then Quebec would only suffer a moderate depression as some of the more frightened businesses moved away.
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      • #4
        The possibility of sovereignty seems to have receded, though. Most people in the province are more worried about their pocketbooks than constitutional issues, and they've learned that Quebec is historically badly-managed. I doubt they trust either provincial party with the responsibility of running a country.
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        • #5
          Re: La Charte de la Langue Français

          Originally posted by KrazyHorse
          1988: The Supreme Court of Canada declares Bill 101 unconstitutional. It also decides that requiring the predominance of French on commercial signs would be constitutional. The Liberal government of Quebec passes Bill 78, which allows bilingual signs inside commercial establishments, but retains the French-only requirement for outdoor signs. Knowing that this bill is also unonstitutional, the government invokes the notwithstanding clause of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, making it impossible to contest its unconstitutionality.
          One more thing, of what use is the Canadian Constitution if it allows the provinces to ignore due process at will?
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          • #6
            Absolutely none.
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            • #7
              If Quebec separates I will throw a party.
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              • #8
                It does, though, bar the federal Gov't from making unconstitutional laws, and it provides a jump provinces aren't always willing to make for fear of public backlash.
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                • #9
                  Here's an interesting, if somewhat alarmist, article I found on the secession of Quebec. From reading the article, it looks like Alberta might make a good candidate for US statehood if they ever decided to leave.
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                  • #10
                    Far less likely a possibility than Quebec independence, no matter what Asher tells you.
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                    • #11
                      KH is spewing nonsense.

                      Quebec has no reason to cede, they keep getting in power federally through proxies like Jean Chretien.

                      Then, surprisingly, the government sends them loads of money in transfer payments and declares tham a "distinct society."

                      Whereas Alberta is intentionally ignored federally, money is taken from us, and the federal government enjoys meddling with Provincial Politics here and spreading FUD and smear campaigns nationwide on bills we pass.

                      Both Quebec and Alberta have very low chances of leaving, but Alberta's is slightly higher. We have a very good chance of being accepted in the USA, and they much better suit the ideologies prevalent today than Canada's federal government.

                      Quebec whines because, superficially, they are different. Wow, they speak a different language in general. By all means, cede from the government you guys help to elect... It's hogwash. A scheme for more money.
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                      • #12
                        It came within 60 000 votes last time, Glonkie. Take a poll in Alberta.
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                        Stadtluft Macht Frei
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                        • #13
                          KH, you realize that Quebec voted like that to act like they were serious, yes?

                          Anyone with a brain can realize that Quebec would NEVER survive on its own. They can't.

                          Alberta is in a FAR better position for leaving. We actually have political reasons rather than superficial language/cultural reasons, we actually are being largely ignored by the consistently majority liberal government, we actually have huge reserves of money and resources that would allow us to survive independently if needed, AND I'm sure the US would have no problem at all accepting us, while they'd have major problems with Quebec.

                          Quebeccers don't have a clue, to be honest. They may vote for separation, realize they now get less money and nothing's changed, not to mention having to pay off a huge share of Canada's debt, then just simply rejoin. It's obvious...
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                          • #14
                            Do you really think that people were able to judge within a one percent margin of error what the result would be and then voted accordingly? There was sufficient popular support to pass an article of secession.

                            I'm not saying it's the smart thing to do, or that Alberta wouldn't be in a better situation than Quebec if they seceded; I'm saying that popular opinion makes one a distinct posibility and the other not. It comes down to that whole cultural divide you refuse to acknowledge. Spend some time in Quebec City or Trois-Rivieres; it's like a whole other country up there.
                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
                            Killing it is the new killing it
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by KrazyHorse
                              Do you really think that people were able to judge within a one percent margin of error what the result would be and then voted accordingly? There was sufficient popular support to pass an article of secession.
                              Why would Quebec secede? Why?!
                              Because it's a different language/culture?!
                              How does this translate into lost political voice, or a reason to leave the Canadian political scene?
                              It simply makes no sense, it'll never happen.

                              The fact that Quebec voters almost DID vote to secede baffles the mind. Why would they do that? There's no reason to. Only the French would do something like that.

                              I've been in Quebec City and Montreal.
                              It's not that different, other than the language. It's a superficial difference.

                              The Quebec people are too silly to look beyond that, and see that they actually support much of what the federal government does. The province is full of whiners that don't know what they want.

                              Alberta knows what it wants. And there are real reasons behind wanting to ditch the Canadian federal government.

                              Quebec as a people may vote to secede but once they figure out how it'll actually affect them, I guarantee you they'd ask to rejoin. They don't think things through.
                              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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