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    To examine whether or not one can make generalizations (and be accurate) I looked up the word generalization.

    Dictionary.com:
    gen·er·al·i·za·tion Pronunciation Key (jnr--l-zshn)
    n.

    1. The act or an instance of generalizing.
    2. A principle, statement, or idea having general application.
    The first definition leads back to the word general so I looked that up:

    gen·er·al·ize Pronunciation Key (jnr--lz)
    v. gen·er·al·ized, gen·er·al·iz·ing, gen·er·al·iz·es
    v. tr.

    1.
    1. To reduce to a general form, class, or law.
    2. To render indefinite or unspecific.
    2.
    1. To infer from many particulars.
    2. To draw inferences or a general conclusion from.
    3.
    1. To make generally or universally applicable.
    2. To popularize.
    So I looked up the word general:

    gen·er·al Pronunciation Key (jnr-l)
    adj.

    1. Concerned with, applicable to, or affecting the whole or every member of a class or category: ?subduing all her impressions as a woman, to something more general? (Virginia Woolf).
    2. Affecting or characteristic of the majority of those involved; prevalent: general discontent.
    3. Of or affecting the entire body: general paralysis.
    4. Being usually the case; true or applicable in most instances but not all: the general correctness of her decisions.
    5.
    1. Not limited in scope, area, or application: as a general rule.
    2. Not limited to or dealing with one class of things; diversified: general studies.
    6. Involving only the main features rather than precise details: a general grasp of the subject.
    7. Highest or superior in rank: the general manager.
    This means generalizations can be accurate in two ways:

    1)Talking about a whole or class which are established via definitions.
    2) The rule tends to hold true. Usually in different times and respects. Meaning if it holds true 51 percent of the time....the generalizations is accurate.


    The second is obviously what is to be expected in the vasy majority of cases involving human nature and society. This means that monorities and exceptions might exist but do not in any way refute the geralization. As it deals with what holds true usually.In most cases...not all.


    Now fallacies of course can be committed the two main being one about making a generalization too quickly and its reverse.

    Critical Thinking fourth edition:

    To base a generalization (or conclusion of an analogical argument) on a sample that is too small is to commit the fallacy of hasty generalization.
    Thus to say "gays are pedophiles" on the basis of two homosexuals who might have dated under age boys is a hasty generalization.

    Likewise the reverse is fallacious too:

    Sometimes we ask someone to reject a general claim on the basis of an example or two that run counter to the claim. When we do this, we commit the fallacy known as refutation via hasty generalization. And it doesn't matter whether or not the refutation is based on an anectdote(personal experience); As long as it is a refutation based on a sample that's too small, it counts as this fallacy.
    Hence saying Christians cannot generally have a bad effect on things because I have met a real nice one is fallacious reasoning. To say that one cannot generalize religious text because someone's "interpretation" might be an exception is fallacious.

    Hence generalizations can be made rationally and hastily; refuted by sound arguments and fallacious ones.

    In the end though generalizations will be made and are made every day. Most reasoning is based on induction and inductions never lead to absolute certainty. Science,sociology,history and even politics would not work without generalizations. How does anyone know absolutely the sun will rise tomorrow? Or that you will not be poisoned by your next bowel of cereal? Nobody with absolute certainty. But we continue to expect a sun rise and eat our cereal on the basis of past experience and the generalizations we draw from them

    Nobody knows for sure that all humans are mortal...perhaps I am or you are the first immortal. Perhaps all immortals are hiding or uknown. Nobody has looked at everyone's lives nor can they predict everyone's future. Notheless, though we tend to believe that people will be mortal on the basis of past experience.

    Hence generalizations are prevalent everywhere but are cetrainly not all equal. They form the basis for most of science and are used in most cases of inductive thought.

  • #2
    No offense, but that sounds like double-speak.
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    • #3
      Aye
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      • #4
        1) The recent trend of using the dictionary as most of the text in your posts is starting to become annoying.

        2) It might help your point if you actually said why you feel that Christians are the scum of the Earth as opposed to defending your right to such a generalization.
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        • #5
          A better technique to use would be a far more informal approach.

          People come to this site to relax, wind down, have fun.

          They don't want to read a 3 page post quoting dictionaries and logically deducing semantics of words and ideologies. It's boring, to be blunt.
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          • #6
            Sweeping Generalization

            According to this site,

            SWEEPING GENERALIZATION

            Description: Also known by the Latin term "DICTO SIMPLICITER", a Sweeping Generalization occurs when a general rule is applied to a particular situation in which the features of that particular situation render the rule inapplicable. A sweeping generalization is the opposite of a hasty generalization.
            Amazingly, David Floyd is good enough to provide us with a good example
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            • #7
              Oh, for the love of holy blue f***, will you please knock it off? As DD said, this whole semantic dictionary definition thing is getting tiresome at best, monumentally obnoxious at worst.

              I said it once, and I'll say it again. I am an atheist. And generalizing that religious believers are bad/ignorant/evil/uneducated/what-have-you is complete and utter bull****. Take your trolling elsewhere.
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              • #8
                Amazingly, David Floyd is good enough to provide us with a good example
                Ah, someone at least picked it up
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                • #9
                  1) The recent trend of using the dictionary as most of the text in your posts is starting to become annoying.
                  People come to this site to relax, wind down, have fun.

                  They don't want to read a 3 page post quoting dictionaries and logically deducing semantics of words and ideologies. It's boring, to be blunt.

                  Oh, for the love of holy blue f***, will you please knock it off? As DD said, this whole semantic dictionary definition thing is getting tiresome at best, monumentally obnoxious at worst.

                  I said it once, and I'll say it again. I am an atheist. And generalizing that religious believers are bad/ignorant/evil/uneducated/what-have-you is complete and utter bull****. Take your trolling elsewhere.


                  Amazing in one fell swoop you proved your point. They have all generalized no one but them are really are non-interested. They assume all think as they do good job...what lures do you use for fishing?

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                  • #10
                    Is English your second language or something?
                    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                    • #11
                      1) The recent trend of using the dictionary as most of the text in your posts is starting to become annoying.
                      you think he'll listen to you if you call him names? that you people on here do that is annoying in itself.

                      People come to this site to relax, wind down, have fun.
                      ugh try again. that is ffz and cg. other threads here bely that statement..such at your technical computer threads, polical threads...and there have been other xian threads discussing theology. we've also had formal debates.

                      guynemer: you're just down right rude. i'd assume you wouldn't take kindly to someone having the same attitiude with you. floyd..you too.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by devilmunchkin
                        ugh try again. that is ffz and cg. other threads here bely that statement..such at your technical computer threads, polical threads...and there have been other xian threads discussing theology. we've also had formal debates.
                        I'll have you know those technical computer threads are relatively relaxing compared to the crap I have to deal with during the day.

                        The Christian threads discussing theology is the most boring crap ever to have graced Apolyton. Even discussing CPU theory is more interesting.

                        We've had like, 1 formal debate session, and it died pretty quickly. People just aren't interested in that in general (how do you like them apples?)
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by devilmunchkin
                          you think he'll listen to you if you call him names? that you people on here do that is annoying in itself.
                          I didn't call him names in the post you quoted, dm. However, I can call him names if you wish.
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                          • #14
                            we had two debate threads go pretty far. i was involved in one.

                            also, if ou and guynemer had bothered to read, you'd realize this thread isn't even ABOUT xianity. not everyone on the board posts the same old complaining tripe.
                            "Speaking on the subject of conformity: This rotting concept of the unfathomable nostril mystifies the fuming crotch of my being!!! Stop with the mooing you damned chihuahua!!! Ganglia!! Rats eat babies!" ~ happy noodle boy

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                            • #15
                              I never said it was about christianity.

                              I said it was about semantics, which it is. It's like arguing over if Y is a vowel...over and over and over and over and over
                              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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