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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Might be tough, but it is the way to go. Then they'll make pains to learn the language ASAP.
Might be tough, but it is the way to go. Then they'll make pains to learn the language ASAP.
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I have more experience with this than you (or almost anybody else here) does. What you get is an embattled minority who have now become single-issue voters.12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
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Why should fewer numbers negate the principle involved, Ramo? If you are saying that a Luiseno only speaker should have to know the language in order to read government forms, why shouldn't the same principle be applied to a Spanish only speaker? Numbers seems like a fairly arbitrary and capricious way to decide these things.Originally posted by Ramo
It's a courtesy that we should offer Spanish-speaking people due to the large number of them.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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You mean like Cuban-Americans in Florida?Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I have more experience with this than you (or almost anybody else here) does. What you get is an embattled minority who have now become single-issue voters.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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Teach them how to fill it out?
Heck people who speak English have trouble with tax returns and have to be told how to fill them out.
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"Shouldn't that money go to educating them in English? I thought you were against "accomodating" other languages. "
You're one of the few who can miss a point and illustrate a point at the same time.
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"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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Look, if they can't get by without English, what's it to you? Obviously, there are large Hispanic communities that fulfill their needs."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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Numbers seems like a fairly arbitrary and capricious way to decide these things
No it isn't. You just have to ask yourself what's reasonable.12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
Ultima Ratio RegumComment
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The only principle involved is utilitarianism.Why should fewer numbers negate the principle involved, Ramo?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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Uhhh...the parallel's not really there. They might be single-issue voters, but it's not due to their position as a linguistic minority.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
You mean like Cuban-Americans in Florida?
12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
Ultima Ratio RegumComment
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If we accept Ramo's arguement that people who don't speak the language of a country have a right to be accomodated by the government, how can one then turn around and apply a de minimis arguement to deny that right to others?Originally posted by KrazyHorse
No it isn't. You just have to ask yourself what's reasonable.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Read Ramo's post.12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
Ultima Ratio RegumComment
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That ain't my argument."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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Is it my fault that this thread moves too fast for me to keep up?
Then Imran appears to have the stronger arguement becuase it would streamline government to a certain extent if it didn't have to print official forms in multiple languages.Originally posted by Ramo
The only principle involved is utilitarianism.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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One other language federally. And localities should decide which languages they need.
Whatever minor benefit you get from streamlining the gov't is undermined by excluding Spanish-speaking people from gov't forms."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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The only point Ramo has is that laziness in learning the language of the country one lives in is acceptable.
That's weak.
My point was that I shouldn't be forced to learn another language to get a job in the U.S. job market.
Naturally, he takes exception to that, which is too damned bad.
Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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My point is that we should let people live as they please. Naturally, he takes exception to that, which is too damn bad.
My point was that I shouldn't be forced to learn another language to get a job in the U.S. job market.
Naturally, he takes exception to that, which is too damned bad.
Obviously, we should undermine the US economy and put innumerable people into poverty all because SH doesn't have the necessary skills for the jobs he wants."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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