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  • #46
    So all of the businesses that are run by Spanish, Mandarin, etc. only speakers should take their capital to more friendly nations? All workers who don't speak English should go back to their original countries? That's absurd! Economically, that's nonsense!


    Hmmm, what are these words Ramo has placed in my mouth...


    Go to the DMV... ask them in how many languages they have driving tests... it is something like 30-40. Every government document has that. Why? No state language... pare down 30 documents to only 1. That cheapens things, doesn't it?

    If you want to do business with the government here, then you can learn English.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
      All official business is done in English. All official paperwork only has to be done in English.

      It makes things much easier.
      Considering that there are approximately 300 languages spoken in the US, I would imagine that it would make things a lot easier.
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      • #48
        Ramo, IF you were to emigrate to country X would you think it reasonable not to learn to speak their language. To make the situation fair, assume that the number of English speakers in country X is akin to the number of Americans (English native speakers) who can speak Spanish.

        Do you think that they should accomodate you because you haven't bothered to learn the language?
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        • #49
          Isn't it blatantly obvious that's how he thinks, Sagacious Dolphin?
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          • #50
            Originally posted by Ramo
            Riiight. So when it comes time to fill out the income tax form, Spanish-only speakers will do what, exactly?
            Teach them how to fill it out?

            Heck people who speak English have trouble with tax returns and have to be told how to fill them out.
            One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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            • #51
              Hmmm, what are these words Ramo has placed in my mouth...
              Sorry about that.

              I mis-interpreted "official" in front of business (I was getting what you were saying confused with what SH was saying). I thought you were referring to all business.

              Anyways, it strikes me as unreasonable that seperate forms shouldn't exist for Spanish-only speakers, considering how many such people there are in the country.

              How economically significant can this possibly be?
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              • #52
                Originally posted by SlowwHand
                Isn't it blatantly obvious that's how he thinks, Sagacious Dolphin?
                Just want explicit confirmation on what he would do if he was an immigrant.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin


                  Teach them how to fill it out?

                  Heck people who speak English have trouble with tax returns and have to be told how to fill them out.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Ramo
                    Anyways, it strikes me as unreasonable that seperate forms shouldn't exist for Spanish-only speakers, considering how many such people there are in the country.
                    Spanish isn't the only other language spoken in the US. Why do you feel the need to discriminate against the aprox. 300 languages spoken here.
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                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #55
                      Anyways, it strikes me as unreasonable that seperate forms shouldn't exist for Spanish-only speakers, considering how many such people there are in the country.


                      What? You want Britian to have forms in Hindi seeing how many Indians there are in that country? They have to learn the linga franca, same as when you have to go to another country.

                      I don't think if you go to Mexico, they'll accomidate an English speaker .
                      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                      • #56
                        Ramo, IF you were to emigrate to country X would you think it reasonable not to learn to speak their language. To make the situation fair, assume that the number of English speakers in country X is akin to the number of Americans (English native speakers) who can speak Spanish.
                        It's perfectly reasonable to expect immigrants to learn the native language. But they certainly shound't be forced into doing it.

                        I would definitely learn country X's primarily language, though.

                        Do you think that they should accomodate you because you haven't bothered to learn the language?
                        I think they should print government forms in English and whatever the primary language of country X is, if English speakers are such a large portion of the country.

                        Isn't it blatantly obvious that's how he thinks, Sagacious Dolphin?
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                          I don't think if you go to Mexico, they'll accomidate an English speaker .
                          The Mexican police will acomodate Benjamin Franklin just fine from what I've heard about them.
                          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                          • #58
                            Spanish isn't the only other language spoken in the US. Why do you feel the need to discriminate against the aprox. 300 languages spoken here.

                            It's a courtesy that we should offer Spanish-speaking people due to the large number of them. But gov't forms aren't my main problem. It's Cali's and SH's suggested coercive policies that I have serious problems with.

                            What? You want Britian to have forms in Hindi seeing how many Indians there are in that country? They have to learn the linga franca, same as when you have to go to another country.

                            I don't think if you go to Mexico, they'll accomidate an English speaker .
                            Somehow, I think neither Hindi-only speakers in Britian, nor English-only speakers in Mexico make up a comparable portion of the population that Spanish-only speakers do here.
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                            • #59
                              Teach them how to fill it out?

                              Heck people who speak English have trouble with tax returns and have to be told how to fill them out.
                              Shouldn't that money go to educating them in English? I thought you were against "accomodating" other languages.
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                              • #60
                                And we should say that only knowing Spanish is ok?

                                No, we should promote English as the sole language. Division by language isn't a social need.
                                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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