Who said Afghanistan wouldn't be another Vietnam...

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by The Andy-Man
well, its not hard for them to get weapons. theres a little place called pakistan, i beleive it is in a northern province were there is no law, basically, and guns are on sale aevery where. so, its not hard for them to get what they havnt got.

and i am not only speaking of the taliban, in the event of a civil war, then there is a whole new ball games.

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a civil war would be a whole new ball game, but thats speculation at this point. IF the entire pashtun region were to rebel against the kabul govt, we might very well have a quagmire on how our hands. That in fact is almost certainly what the taliban/alqaeeda have been counting on since September. But we've been doing almost all we can since October to avoid jsut such an outcome, from restraining northern alliance troops, to aiding anti-taliban pashtuns, to insuring a real pashtun presence in the new govt, including KArzai above all. This will remain touch and go for a while, but it seems that so far there is far more support for the new govt among the pashtun population than there is opposition to it.

LOTM

[Giancarlo]

LaRusso do you know what a Thermobaric bomb is? IT is a bomb that fills tunnels with big balls of fire. So much for having an elaborate tunnel system... the terrorists are screwed.

[Az]

@ peaceful people of afghanistan........

[Seeker]

"IT is a bomb that fills tunnels with big balls of fire"

Actually, I thought it was a bomb that tries to suck all the oxygen out of a confined space...

If it was a magic bullet then there wouldn't still be cave complexes in operation. It's just another tool in a tool-kit.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Seeker
"IT is a bomb that fills tunnels with big balls of fire"

Actually, I thought it was a bomb that tries to suck all the oxygen out of a confined space...

If it was a magic bullet then there wouldn't still be cave complexes in operation. It's just another tool in a tool-kit.

http://www.dtra.mil/td/thermo/td_thermo.html

The significant difference is the replacement of the high explosive fill with a new thermobaric explosive that provides increased lethality in confined spaces.

You were correct. I was thinking of something else. Well maybe I was right and you are right, the blast of fire sucks up all the oxygen.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


a civil war would be a whole new ball game, but thats speculation at this point. IF the entire pashtun region were to rebel against the kabul govt, we might very well have a quagmire on how our hands. That in fact is almost certainly what the taliban/alqaeeda have been counting on since September. But we've been doing almost all we can since October to avoid jsut such an outcome, from restraining northern alliance troops, to aiding anti-taliban pashtuns, to insuring a real pashtun presence in the new govt, including KArzai above all. This will remain touch and go for a while, but it seems that so far there is far more support for the new govt among the pashtun population than there is opposition to it.

LOTM

Unless I'm mistaken, there already is a civil war in Afghanistan.

[Saint Marcus]

I am pro-American.

that's at least the 7th time now you've said this. Still nobody believes you. Oh how I wonder...

[Bereta_Eder]

I'm positive the americans have committed attrocities. Whenever I hear about tha guy getting killed while "interogating" suspects in that prison I piss myself laughing. Only god knows the tortures that he performed

Also the americans have killed thousands of civilians in Afganistan. That's an attrocity however you look or «justify» it.

Now there are thousands of family members who have lost their loved ones to the america bombs and they want blood.

That's the raw reality and sorry if it doesn't please you.

About the civil war. Afganistan remains unstable... That's why you hear the american's little whore blair saying over and over that we won't abandon it... in other words there's the need to be there to prevent the sh!t from hitting the fan.

And that's about that.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by paiktis22
I'm positive the americans have committed attrocities. Whenever I hear about tha guy getting killed while "interogating" suspects in that prison I piss myself laughing. Only god knows the tortures that he performed

Also the americans have killed thousands of civilians in Afganistan. That's an attrocity however you look or «justify» it.

Evidence for any of what you are saying? I am sure the taliban killed the civilians themselves and attempted to blackmail the US.

Now there are thousands of family members who have lost their loved ones to the america bombs and they want blood.

I doubt that. The Afghan people were slaughtered by the taliban and you didn't want the taliban removed? What is wrong with you? Millions of would died from starvation because the Taliban were seizing all food aide.

And overall my response to your pathetic troll is:

[The Mad Monk]

Paiktis, it was already established in a previous thread (no, I don't remember which one) that the civilian casualty figures were greatly exagerated by the Taliban government and the journalists it controlled. Any analysis based on that data is worthless.

[Bereta_Eder]

I was in favor of removing the taliban.

And as ironic as it sounds I supported the idea that there was no easy solution about this and that action was necessairy.

I have one objection and that is if there was a less bloody way to do it.

All in all I supported action in Afganistan from day one and those that have read it will remember.

That does not change reality, nor my position about the need for action.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by paiktis22
I was in favor of removing the taliban.

And as ironic as it sounds I supported the idea that there was no easy solution about this and that action was necessairy.

I have one objection and that is if there was a less bloody way to do it.

All in all I supported action in Afganistan from day one and those that have read it will remember.

That does not change reality, nor my position about the need for action.

Though the numbers were extremely inflated by the taliban... I feel the population of Afghanistan was saved from total disaster. At least they will get basic needs.

There is not any less bloody way to do this. This "country" rather territory of factions has been subjected to war since 1979. The differences were so splintered the taliban would of killed off a bunch of their own population to reach self-gain.

[Bereta_Eder]

It's not for you to decide about the Afganis. They decide for themselves.

The US was hit and the americans responded the only way they know and that's why Afganistan was bombed.

Trying to justify the bombings by other means than national interests leads to nowhere. The taliban for example had providerd a much lacking stability to the place that is now in danger again.

I still have serious questions as to the extent of bombings and to what extend was that done to feed the blood lust of the average american after 11 sept.

And the dead are dead and the killers remain killers. Nothing changes that including the interests of a country.

My only hope is that Afganistan will be perseived as a serious threat still so that the west don't just pack and leave after bombing it and killing people but actually helps it. (since if it doesn;t the planes will be flying again on the new WTC).

[Natan]

Paiktis, do you have any evidence that the US is torturing people, or do you just believe that it's proven by the fact that we haven't given you full support against Turkey?

[Bereta_Eder]

The last one only excites my imagination since Turkey is doing these things too Like father like son

But seriously do I have evidence? Absolutely zero, zip, I don't work for the government.

But it does seem a high propability both in Gauantanamo and particularly in the situation of the prison "interrogation".

Evidence may present itself after 50 years when they are not so «sensitive» any more or if someone cracks open the files by... other means.

Even if there was/is most will accept it as a necessairy evil though... I fear.