How can people prefer National Socialism over Communism?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Boddington's
Andz, you're making the false assumption that National Socialism = Hitler.

Then explain your vision of National Socialism.

[Ecthy]

Well Serb, I wouldn't go so far and use the brainwashing terminology. Alas, even those which I thought were fine people have been acting by pretty superficial standards lately. I'm worried...

So I used the name Hitler when I should have used the term National Socialism, so sue me. And explain what the difference is in your eyes, I thought it would be obvious we're talking about the same former German regime, and that was guided by Adolf H. without a doubt... If not, give sources.

Now get back into the discussion of the matter or keep out of this thread, your will to irritate others is more than noticeable...

[Solly]

I'm just saying that National Socialism is not the same as what Hitler's methods of governing were.

OK?

[Serb]

Originally posted by faded glory
Yes.....but Communist's butchered way more than the fascists. And all that crap about ethnic cleansing the jews. Well, the Communists killed there share of jews. And dotn forget, if you were an Uzbek, or Chechen.....tsk...tsk...you were saying? Racial hatred? Both were festering with it. But Nazi's treated there people better.

This is not true. One of the major goals of Stalin’s propaganda was proclamation of equality of all nationalities of SU.And he was succsessful in this. Watch any old soviet movies of this time (I wonder if you have one. And btw, Uzbeks is not national minority. Uzbekistan was one of the 15 republics of SU.

Irrelevant... Before the war, the majority German people lived like human beings. The same cannot be said for the Russians.

Human beings? You do not know in what type of monster can nazism turn a human being. You do not know nothing about atrocities nazists done in my country. I cannot say that human beings may act like they done.

No it isnt. Have you any idea how many were sent to the Gulags? If you thinking a few hundred thousand.....think higher. Try 10 million. Most died of course.

Of course you right. Stalin's regime done terrible things.

Very true. But remember what Stalin did to the Ukranians and Eastern Europeans...Rake up another 15 million dead civilians. Cause he used the state authority to create a famine in the Ukraine. Not once, TWICE!

When? I do not realize what are you talking about.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Boddington's
I'm just saying that National Socialism is not the same as what Hitler's methods of governing were.

OK?

Then name other methods to achieve National Socialist’s goals. I don’t know any. Enlighten me.

[Bereta_Eder]

Communism is not near as bad as national socialism.

Only dipsh!t brainless people would say that it is

[Ecthy]

Well paiktis, you can see there are many people at Apolyton who think that way... it's a shame...

[Bereta_Eder]

most of Apolyton off - topics are americans. Communism was their biggest enemy. What do you expect? Rational thinking

[Solly]

You obviously haven't studied this in enough detail, Andz.

[David Floyd]

Of course I'm one of the brainless morons who thinks that if he had to fight either Nazism or Communism in WW2, we picked the wrong enemy

[Ecthy]

Another one of those and you're technically ignored, Spink

I don't think this has anything to do with WWII. As I have said earlier on, it might be wise to analyse both the "Stalinism / Hitler-style National Socialism question" and the "1932 election Communist/National Socialist" question, but as it seems the posters at Apolyton are quite lazy bums :rollyes:

This place used to be a lot better concerning discussions... just imagine, a topic like this and they stay away...

[Az]

*cough* , Serb ,don't you think that the movies during Stalin aren't exactly picturing the reality ? ( contrary to 50s-70s soviet cinema , according to my mother testimony. )


P.S. Sergey , skolko tebe let ?

[Provost Harrison]

So are you now tending towards national socialism Stew? Anything for a troll

Well it would have been interesting if Germany had have gone 'Red' in the 1920s. Now lets face it, at that point, the Germans had the revolutionary background, the ideological brains within it, and the industrial backbone which was postulated as being necessary for a communist revolution. They would obviously have been the 'dominant' communist nation at the time, way above the Soviet union, not just in terms of power and productivity, but politically, and it makes it feasible that someone such as Stalin would not have lasted in that kind of environment. There would obviously be a very strong relationship between the two nations, one strengthening the other in terms of industrialisation and resources.

So things could have been very different if the Germans had gone communist, although it is only speculation. But if both had have become worker's states, I couldn't have seen the rest of Europe remaining capitalist for very long either. It makes you think how things could have been rather than sinking into the horrors that were Soviet bureaucratic totalitarianism or Nazism. You had to fear whoever you were under the Soviets. Under the Nazi's you were relatively safe if you 'towed the line' and looked and behaved the right way. If not, you had more to fear.

The tragedy about the clash of Stalin and Hitler was that all the people and soldiers involved became nothing but porns, Hitler so determined to throw people at the cause and Stalin was prepared to sacrifice as many as he deemed necessary. He was prepared to lose a significant proportion, probably even majority of the Soviet population to fend off the Nazi onslaught. Both were bastards, so it is a bit of a Hobson's choice as to which to desire.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Dalgetti
*cough* , Serb ,don't you think that the movies during Stalin aren't exactly picturing the reality ? ( contrary to 50s-70s soviet cinema , according to my mother testimony. )


P.S. Sergey , skolko tebe let ?

Of course, this is what I want to said. They were a propaganda, propaganda proclaiming equality of all nationalities. While Nazi propaganda proclaiming the superiority of one nation.

P.S. 25 A chto?

[Bereta_Eder]

Hey Dal! You can speak Russian?!

Damn I wanted to learn but all my free of charge University - affiliated classes were full