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I will oppose any lifting of punishment against child sexual abuse... that is outrageous to even think about Kaak... it will never happen as long as I am alive.
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For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence) -
What you said did not make any sense.Originally posted by Kaak
Homosexuality has to do with sexual orientation.
Paedophilia has to do with sexual orientation (oriented towards age rather than gender)
maybe someday the gov't will realize that it is not a disease, but merely a condition, genetic in nature. Maybe then they will lift the statutory rape laws and the sodomites and child abuses can together run around in elation at the end of their oppression!
But that is no surprise.
Pedophilia is not related to sexual orientation, since there are pedophiles in all three sexual orientation groups. Pedophilia has to do more with a psychological disorder, that is classified as criminal behavior. And, I believe it should always be seen as a criminal behavior.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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okay. you are fond of definitions, so I will tell you the ones i was presupposing.
sexual orientation: related to sex, that which turns one on.
homosexual: turned on by those of the same sex
paedophilia: turned on by children
see the relation?
G: I too think it would be horrible, and will always stand against it.
It is wrong, just like homosexuality is wrong.
That comment was fairly heavily laden with sarcasm."Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)
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I don't see how it's criminal behaviour to be attracted to children instead of adult men/womenOriginally posted by MrFun
Pedophilia is not related to sexual orientation--it is related to a psychological disorder that is also rightly seen as criminal behavior.
The only difference I see between paedophilia and other sexual orientations is that they will never be able to engage in a relationship/have sex with the person they love. (unless they they are also attracted to adult men or women, or both - I guess that would make them trisexual
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A psychological disorder?
AFAIK, neither the cause nor a "cure" have been found to this day.
I agree.Within heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual groups, you will find some people who are pedophiles.
There is nothing criminal, diseased, or flawed about expression of physical, sexual intimacy between two mutually consenting adults just because they are of the same gender.In een hoerekotje aan den overkant emmekik mijn bloem verloren,
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And because of political reasons, paedophilia is still considered a diseaseOriginally posted by MrFun
The American Psychology Association and the American Medical Association declared in the 70's, that homosexuality is not an illness or disease.
Well, I am a BelgianOriginally posted by Sirotnikov
I imagine it would take, oh 5 minutes for the neo-liberals here to blame you of pedohpilia
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DOH!!!! (nice self satyre thereOriginally posted by Assur
Well, I am a Belgian
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Why are we still arguing?
Kaak can believe what he wants, I can believe what I want, and you can believe what you want.
Why do we need to keep arguing? Nobody's going to change their mind through this forum."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Tell you what, Kaak...
Since you agree with our Mormon friend, perhaps you would like to address the points I raised, since he has gone AWOL.Originally posted by Kaak
well said darthmolar.
And, Assur... are you seriously arguing that pedophilia is not rape?"My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
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lOriginally posted by Kaak
okay. you are fond of definitions, so I will tell you the ones i was presupposing.
sexual orientation: related to sex, that which turns one on.
homosexual: turned on by those of the same sex
paedophilia: turned on by children
see the relation?
G: I too think it would be horrible, and will always stand against it.
It is wrong, just like homosexuality is wrong.
That comment was fairly heavily laden with sarcasm.
Healthy homosexual relationships involve intimate relationships between two consenting adults. Safe homosexual sex acts involves two consenting adults.
Healthy heterosexual relationships involve intimate relationships between two consenting adults. Safe heterosexual sex acts involves two conseting adults.
Pedophilia involves the exploitation and manipulation of children into unhealthy relationships with adults before children are even mature enough to understand sexuality.
Do you see the difference??A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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all kinds of genetic defects and abnormal behavior can be seen in certain parts of certain populations. why would homosexuality be any different?Says who? You do know that homosexuality can be observed in other species, don't you?
I think that he was stating it as an opinion. I would also agree that the best enviroment for rearing a child is a nuclear family with a father and a mother.That, my friend, is an opinion. Not a fact.
dunno, he said it not me. but then again, i don't have extended experience with homos either.And gays recruit? How, exactly, do they "recruit"?
Not that news is any indication of reality, but most child abuse cases you hear of are men molesting boys. Or atleast that I've heard of. I don't know if he has a source or not, once again, i am not him.Source please? Good luck finding one, since this is just an out-and-out lie.
Atleast he is standing for something. To many people in this world incourage apathy, and indifference. Passion is failing in the world. All people are worried about now is being PC and not offending anyone.Wow. Taking a stand against pedophiles. How brave of you.
*pulls out a dollar bill and looks at it closely*The USA was NOT founded on belief in "God, the Almighty."
Have you ever been to paris? next time you go, watch the people that go into the club "queens"...Define "flaunting their homosexuality," if you'd be so kind.
Obviously I am not darth, so I cannot speak to all of his arguments. You deemed it necessary for me to respond, so in typical stoic tradition, that is the best i can do ;"Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)
"I thought you must be dead ..." he said simply. "So did I for a while," said Ford, "and then I decided I was a lemon for a couple of weeks. A kept myself amused all that time jumping in and out of a gin and tonic."Comment
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Healthy homosexual relationships involve intimate relationships between two consenting adults. Safe homosexual sex acts involves two consenting adults.
Healthy heterosexual relationships involve intimate relationships between two consenting adults. Safe heterosexual sex acts involves two conseting adults.
Pedophilia involves the exploitation and manipulation of children into unhealthy relationships with adults before children are even mature enough to understand sexuality.
Do you see the difference??
And one more thing Kaak -- you are simply ignorant of the psychological needs and activist needs for gays and bisexuals to come out to the people who are important in their lives and to society.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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Kaak, you're an ignorant fool. You claim not to be a homosexual, so don't claim to know anything about it.
Just shut the hell up and keep your intolerant propaganda to yourself and yourself alone. Nobody wants to hear about your insecurities and fetishes.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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"In God We Trust" was only added to our currency in the 1950s, during the same time frame that the phrase "under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance. I believe the rationale was to "smoke out the Reds." Ahhh, McCarthyism... those were the days.Originally posted by Kaak
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Hmmm... so that's flaunting homosexuality? You really think heterosexuality is flaunted less? Strip clubs, nudie bars, raves with girls dancing in cages... please, get real.Have you ever been to paris? next time you go, watch the people that go into the club "queens"...
Fair enough. Obviously, he didn't give you much to work with, but you seemed to agree with what he had to say.Obviously I am not darth, so I cannot speak to all of his arguments. You deemed it necessary for me to respond, so in typical stoic tradition, that is the best i can do ;"My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
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i think indifferent is a more appropriate word...And one more thing Kaak -- you are simply ignorant of the psychological needs and activist needs for gays and bisexuals to come out to the people who are important in their lives and to society.
as for differences, of course their are differences. I was merely stating a single similarity. orientation, and causality."Mal nommer les choses, c'est accroître le malheur du monde" - Camus (thanks Davout)
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Does the word "pedosexual(ity)" exist in the English language?Originally posted by Guynemer
And, Assur... are you seriously arguing that pedophilia is not rape?
A pedosexual is a rapist
A pedophile is not
Paiktis, you'll be disappointed to know that there is a more... sinister... reason for my "self satire"
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