Milosevic on Trial

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Goingonit
Well they certainly found evidence of large numbers of people having been killed by something.

Apart from KLA/Yugoslavian combatants and bombing victims? Not that I know of.

I know that the prosecution tries to give the impression they found many corpses, but afaIk, they didn´t.

[Goingonit]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune


Apart from KLA/Yugoslavian combatants and bombing victims? Not that I know of.

I know that the prosecution tries to give the impression they found many corpses, but afaIk, they didn´t.

2,100 have actually been exhumed. That's quite a few, considering that there may have been as few as 10,000 KLA fighters in total. As well, bombing victims wouldn't end up in mass graves.

Also, something made roughly 1,000,000 ethnic Albanians leave Kosovo.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Goingonit
2,100 have actually been exhumed.

Number may be accurate. But they had talked about tens of thousands victims before. A small scale civil war had been going on in Kosovo for years. The KLA was also known to kill Albanians who cooperated with the state.

Also, something made roughly 1,000,000 ethnic Albanians leave Kosovo.

Make that 100.000. And the reason why they left is in doubt. This is told differently, dependent on the side. Think Palestinians 1948. You get very different reasons why they fled, dependent on whom you ask.

[David Floyd]

What you say is that Lincoln should have recognized the Confederacy. But it is no surprise he didn´t, and this doesn´t make him a criminal.

I'd argue that. Some of his generals certainly were (especially Butler and Sherman).

[Goingonit]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
Number may be accurate. But they had talked about tens of thousands victims before. A small scale civil war had been going on in Kosovo for years. The KLA was also known to kill Albanians who cooperated with the state.

Make that 100.000. And the reason why they left is in doubt. This is told differently, dependent on the side. Think Palestinians 1948. You get very different reasons why they fled, dependent on whom you ask.

I actually think that 1,000,000 is right.

But let me clarify my position.

-The American bombing campaign was badly excecuted - 500 observers in Kosovo would have done the job far better.

-The KLA really suck. As with any guerilla army, they do bad things and are no better than the oppressive regime they were fighting.

-There must have been some initiating event. Slobodan Milosevic being who he is, and the relationship between Kosovars and Serbs being what it is, no doubt the Serbians killed some people.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Some of his generals certainly were (especially Butler and Sherman).

Sherman could possibly be considered a war criminal. As to recognizing the Confederacy, historians have argued for a century if the original US were a confederacy (which you can leave) or a federation (which you can´t leave, except in general consensus).

On the other hand, Yugoslavia was certainly a federation; there is no doubt about that.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Goingonit
Slobodan Milosevic being who he is...

He has been put into a bad light by a really l--o--n--g propaganda campaign.

[David Floyd]

Sherman could possibly be considered a war criminal. As to recognizing the Confederacy, historians have argued for a century if the original US were a confederacy (which you can leave) or a federation (which you can´t leave, except in general consensus).

Unfortunately historians don't tend to know the US Constitution, which clearly allows for secession.

Let's not have that discussion again though

[Goingonit]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
He has been put into a bad light by a really l--o--n--g propaganda campaign.

Well, regardless, he is an absolute dictator who fought ethnic wars in the past.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Some of his generals certainly were (especially Butler and Sherman).

Which parts of the Lieber Code did they violate?

[General Ludd]

Puting one leader on trial every now and then doesn't mean much to me (especially when it's only enemies to the super powers) - I wish they'd put every politician on trial.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Goingonit
Well, regardless, he is an absolute dictator who fought ethnic wars in the past.

Ehhh, again no. He was elected, and he didn´t fight any wars before the breakup of Yugoslavia.

[Goingonit]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune


Ehhh, again no. He was elected, and he didn´t fight any wars before the breakup of Yugoslavia.

He was elected. He seemed to hold power pretty tight untill the US stepped in. And he didn't fight any wars before the breakup of Yugoslavia.

[Comrade Tribune]

When Yugoslavia fell apart, chaos resulted. There were unresolved territorial and economic disputes en masse.

The Serbs/Milosevic got all the blame, which was one-sided.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by David Floyd


I'd argue that. Some of his generals certainly were (especially Butler and Sherman).

Oh, that's Bull**** and you know it. "Sherman's March" is a bunch of revisonist crap Southern Textbooks have been playing for generations.

During the March Sherman's Army actualy grew by one half, as locals and escaped slaves joined him. If you go to any "Historical Plantation" along the route, they talk about the hardships imposed by Sherman's men stealing Horses, food, and what have you.

Read carefully, while they did steal food and horses and what have you, standing orders preventing them from stealing much. I can go look it up, but the gist of it is the looting is complete crap, less than Lee's AoNV as a matter of fact in Pennslyvania.

Now, on to his alledged "Burning" of Atlanta(and Charleston)...more crap. In both cases, all real evidence points to retreating Confederates, or Looters, the looters being locals.

Butler....hmmm....what'd he do...

Well, he acted like a real ******* when some of the "Ladies" of Nawlins spat in his face. But did he really commit anything that can be construed as War Crimes? no.



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You want to find the real War criminals of the Civil War, look South. Forrest, "Bloody Bill" Quentin, Mosby, the entire Confederate Government, the administrators of Andersonville and other Confederate POW camps. (In all fairness, the CSA didn't have a monopoly on harsh POW camps, a Union one in Buffalo, NY, was famous for gving thin linen blankets as the sole protection against winter.)

For a Union "war Criminal", I'd have to say the only General who qualifies is Sheridan, who set the Shenandoah valley to the torch.

Of course, small change compared to Confederate thugs...