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**Eli** · February 13, 2002, 11:37

Originally posted by Drekkus
Now what is it!

In some other thread I said that only if your mother is a Jew, you yourself will be jewish. If only your father is jewish, you are considered not jewish. A friend of mine is jewish (lived in Israel for a few years).
He is now married a non jewish girl, and about a year ago I was dating a girl who had a jewish mother. He told me that technically his kids would not be jewish, but mine would be.

Somebody here (I think Natan), told me that isn't the case. What is it?

Yes it is. According to the laws of Judaism you are a Jew if you're :
A) Jew by religion.
OR
B) Your mother is Jewish.

I'm not sure what will be written in the nationality field in the kid's Israeli ID card though. They will probably write the nationality of the mother, but he will be considered Jew for all purposes.
Btw, does someone knows what's written in the nationality field for not-ethnic Jews?(those who converted to Judaism and then made aliyah, or those who immigrated to Israel and then converted to Judaism)

I don't see what the big deal is.

I don't want to be insulting. But this borders on racism. I would hope by 2050 we have more important things to concentrate on insteade of how many "pure" races are still in existance.

I hope too. But while the world is not perfect yet, I prefer my 3500 years old ethnic group to grow instead of vanishing.

You mean they don't have to believe in God as long as they believe that they are his chosen people?

They dont have to believe that they are his chosen people either. But when asked who their are, they should always remember that they arent American, but American Jews and that their real homeland is here(so that Zionism is not the issue) and be always aware to their history.

Huh?
You're not talking about religion, but you're talking about a religious identity...

Here we go again...
Judaism is not only a religion. It's a mix between an ethnic group and religion. So you dont have to believe in god to be a Jew, and you dont have to be a Jew ethnically to be one.

**OneFootInTheGrave** · February 13, 2002, 11:42

Can one get a Isreel citizenship if he converts to Judaism?

**Eli** · February 13, 2002, 11:48

If you convert to Judaism you become a Jew, therefore you can get immediate citizenship in Israel and get money from the state every month for some period of time to help you in the beginning.
Btw, this goverment aid for new immigrants exists only in Israel, and only Jews deserve it. So if you got citizenship from some other reason, you'll have to work harder.

**axi** · February 13, 2002, 13:22

There is a chance that the number of Jews in the world will fall much more than 33% by 2050. If some muslim state ever nuked Israel, the number of Jews in the world would drop by 33% instantly. Israel is a very small place actually.

That's why bringing every Jew in the world to Israel isn't such a good idea.

**Imran Siddiqui** · February 13, 2002, 13:29

They dont have to believe that they are his chosen people either. But when asked who their are, they should always remember that they arent American, but American Jews and that their real homeland is here(so that Zionism is not the issue) and be always aware to their history.

BS! They are American, and I'm glad that they are casting off the false nationality of Judaism to become truly Americans. Don't you think that this ethnic seperation and ethnic purity is part (if not a lot) of the reason why Jews have been persecuted throughout the ages? Because they are different and want to be seperate from the rest of the society.

I'm actually happy that there will be less Jews. They are taking control of their lives and marrying who they wish and believing in what they wish instead of being brainwashed by a religion and a claim of ethnicity that doesn't exist.

Az · February 13, 2002, 13:29

axi : (threadjack) does your name mean 'the worthy one' in greek?

**Thorgal** · February 13, 2002, 13:48

If you convert to Judaism you become a Jew, therefore you can get immediate citizenship in Israel and get money from the state every month for some period of time to help you in the beginning.

Amazing, whenever I learn something new about zionism, it like to me less.

**Asher** · February 13, 2002, 13:51

Originally posted by Eli
Here we go again...
Judaism is not only a religion. It's a mix between an ethnic group and religion. So you dont have to believe in god to be a Jew, and you dont have to be a Jew ethnically to be one.

Alright.
So how does this change the fact that you only want a "pure bred" Jewish race?

It's still a bit racist, and it disturbs me people still think like that.

**OneFootInTheGrave** · February 13, 2002, 13:59

Originally posted by Eli
If you convert to Judaism you become a Jew, therefore you can get immediate citizenship in Israel and get money from the state every month for some period of time to help you in the beginning.
Btw, this goverment aid for new immigrants exists only in Israel, and only Jews deserve it. So if you got citizenship from some other reason, you'll have to work harder.

Would that mean that I could theoretically convert to Judaism and therefore be eligible to get Israeli citizenship?

Nobody is taking advantage of that?

By the way, Israeli government did not think to buy a bit of land from some poor nation and to claim it as their own - like US did with Alaska? Have a state on two separate places with one government, and you get more space.

**Guynemer** · February 13, 2002, 14:03

Only Jews deserve government aid in Israel?

How wonderfully progressive.

**Bereta_Eder** · February 13, 2002, 14:11

Eli, Dal, Siro the future of Israel lies on your ****

Go forth and multiply

Seriously what if I want to be an Israeli, but do not believe in any religion?
What if tomorrow I go to the Israeli embassy and say,look man, I wanna be an Israeli but I have no use for god(s). I have no jewish ancestry (that I know of) but I want to be a citizen of israel, learn the language, partake at the customs and defend it 'till the last drop of my blood (that's from the greek oath actually).

If there was someone so dedicated but didn't want to believe in god, didn;t have any relation with jewish people wouldn't you accept him?

**Jon Miller** · February 13, 2002, 14:24

actually I do want to know how the population will fall by 33%

with the children of Female Jews being considered Jews

are females just not having children

Jon Miller

**ZoboZeWarrior** · February 13, 2002, 14:26

Originally posted by Guynemer
Only Jews deserve government aid in Israel?
How wonderfully progressive.

I think it is just s special help for moving into the country.
I hope that health care system is the same for all Israeli, jew and non-jew.

**ZoboZeWarrior** · February 13, 2002, 14:28

Originally posted by Jon Miller
actually I do want to know how the population will fall by 33%
with the children of Female Jews being considered Jews
are females just not having children
Jon Miller

If Israeli males aren't attractive, let try the French male ... I know at least one who is very attractive (not veru wealthy through but attractive).

I wonder if this chart count the children born from a jewish father who will demand to become jew ?

**Rogan Josh** · February 13, 2002, 16:38

Re: The number of Jews in the world will fall by 33% by 2050

Originally posted by Eli
The number of Jews in the world will fall by 33% by 2050

Thank Jehovah!

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