Israel will react very very very very seriously

[The Mad Monk]

I doubt it...who would want to risk a boobie trap?

[Eli]

I remember seeing a picture of his body and a police robot's arm above it, so I guess that they just blew it up on him. Yukk.

[Ramo]

Or if you´re talking of the machnoist movement in the 20´s; they were nothing but thieves and bandits and they acted as counterrevolutionaries.

Soviet propaganda.

Moscow called everyone who opposes their authoritarianism "counterrevolutionaries." You ought to check out some of the Soviet accounts of the Spanish Civil War. The real counterrevolutionaries were Lenin and his cronies, who destroyed the power of the workers in Russia.

And then he complains to israel for the poverty of his people...

Yep, Israel steals one of the most important commodities in the region, water, from the Palestinians. Furthermore, Israeli trade barriers, movement restrictions and so forth prevent Palestinians from raising themselves from the rut they're in.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Ramo

Moscow called everyone who opposes their authoritarianism "counterrevolutionaries." You ought to check out some of the Soviet accounts of the Spanish Civil War. The real counterrevolutionaries were Lenin and his cronies, who destroyed the power of the workers in Russia.

That´s anarchist propaganda, if the anarchists had gotten their way in Russia the whites would won the civil war and the worlds first workers state would have died in its infancy. The bolsheviks made a lot of mistakes but the anarchists wasn´t a viable alternative in Russia 1917.

BTW Are you affiliated with the IWW? Just curious...

[Ramo]

That´s anarchist propaganda, if the anarchists had gotten their way in Russia the whites would won the civil war

Maybe, maybe not. It's speculation either way. But if the anarchists had gotten their way, Stalin certainly wouldn't have gained control of Russia.

And if the Bolsheviks did regain authority in the Ukraine earlier, they probably would've lost the war. Whether or not you like them, the Machknoists were integral to beating the Whites.

and the worlds first workers state would have died in its infancy.

It did anyways.

but the anarchists wasn´t a viable alternative in Russia 1917.

Freedom is always a viable alternative.

And no, I'm not affiliated with the IWW.

[Sirotnikov]

Re: Re: Israel will react very very very very seriously

Originally posted by Rogan Josh
Why do you call them terrorists? I believe they are, but when I asked for the definition of a terrorist some time ago, you all claimed that soldiers were fair game for 'freedom fighters'. So killing two soldiers does not make tham terrorists.

Just curious....

Hmm...

Opening non-selective fire on everyone around , consisting majorly of civilians is not freedom fighting.

The fact that the second terrorist went for a school that was near by, and was luckaly killed before he enetered it, does not suggest "freedom fighting".

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Kamrat X
It was Stalins mass-collectivization programs that killed the Ukrainian farmers. And I´m no fan of Stalin Or if you´re talking of the machnoist movement in the 20´s; they were nothing but thieves and bandits and they acted as counterrevolutionaries.

But that's just what real communism is. A fantasy allowing thugs and thieves to get power over trusting minions.

The fact is, that's how "communist" regimes all around the world work.

The problem with communism, is that it is against human nature, which is to exploit. You create leaders who are supposed to be benevolent, but aren't really. You create a system which is supposed to be democratic, but isn't really.

That's why, meanwhile democracy is better. And capitalism is better since it's open and sincere about it's goal - to win. Communism, while very noble, is against the natural human tendency to take advantage of others.

Hey, I don´t support etnic cleansing, period! The simple solution to this is for Israel to give back the occupied territories to the palestinians so they can form an independent state. Then the violence will end!

Then tell me, why was there violence prior to 1967?

Your nice site, doesn't tell you how in the 50s and 60s arab terrorists infiltrated Israel, and massacared villages and kibutzes, raiding children's houses at nights (during the 50s and 60s, children in a kibutz lived in thier own 'dorm' apart from parents).

Selective memory, Siro? No, sorry. I forgot you think it´s "impartial" to report settler violence...

I think you better re-read your dictionary, brainiac.

As I said, there´s very few impartial sources in this apart from Amnesty. But they say basically the same things.

Just cause they say the same things doesn't make them right, but rather followers of a herd.

Amnesty are pittyful fools. Just like most leftists. They mean well, but they can't see what's infront of their eyes.

Amnesty are great in monitoring Israeli measures to try and fight terror, such as closures and targeted eliminations, but they don't and can't monitor Palestinian terrorists. They say it's not their field.

I say, if Israeli sometimes killing civilians on mistake, is in thier field, then Palestinians targeting to kill as much civilians as possible, should be in their field.

Either they ignore violent conflicts all together, or they treat everyone impartially.

Well, you´re entitled to an opinion, I suppose...

Sure he is.
And you do look racist, and you might even be racist. I just don't care enough to think about it.

One man´s freedom fighter is another man´s terrorist. It all depends on where you stand

We've already set defintions for terrorists as opposed to freedom fighters / partisans.

Just because you're willing to call any person who intentionally targets Israeli civilians, esp. children, a fighter for "freedom" doesn't change his terrorist status.

I already told people here. I don't have a problem with armies or wars. The Hezbulla Guerilla war was acceptable. Their targeting civilian residents and kidnapping and executing soldiers and thier killing of civilians was not.

[Sirotnikov]

Most of the Milosevic stories were made up by US propaganda. You have yet to find those alleged mass graves.

Nope. The mass graves were an invention of Muslim bosnian propoganda against Milosevic.

I'm just wondering... did they remove the terrorist from the bomb suit before detonating it?

Hm....

Probably so, though if it proved very risky possibly not.

I know that when we caught live terrorists last week we certainly did remove them from their suit before detonating it.

Yep, Israel steals one of the most important commodities in the region, water, from the Palestinians. Furthermore, Israeli trade barriers, movement restrictions and so forth prevent Palestinians from raising themselves from the rut they're in.

1) Israel does supply water to the palestinians.

2) Israeli trade barriers are a means of pressuring Arafat, since he gains from the taxes and puts money into more terror. Israel tries to find solutions for palestinians to suffer less. I know for instance that Israel made several exceptions including allowing a palestinian group to export flowers to the international flowers market.

3) Movement restrictions, while nasty, are the heart of Israeli security measures. While they do serve an effect of suppressing people, their first and foremost effect is making it extremely difficult to infiltrate Israel, let alone unchecked.

Let me remind you, that there are movement restrictions where there are terrorists.

When it is known terrorists have infiltrated Israel and target specific towns, closures are put on them.

Haifa had it's closures, and more recently Jerusalem, Hadera and today Beer Sheva had severe movement restrictions.

[Bereta_Eder]

pssst Siro? how do you make your sig longer than 4 lines? If it's longer than 4 lines it says (at least to me) that it is forbiden - but then again I had a sig that was half a page once - is there a trick ?

[Natan]

Originally posted by Kamrat X
In 1982, Israeli Army was an occupying force in Beirut (Lebanon); according to the international laws they had the responsibility of protection of all civilians under their control. At that time the Israeli Army was under total control of Israeli Defence Ministry, and Ariel Sharon was the Defence Minister. He visited Beirut and pledged total support for the Israeli allied Lebanese Christian Militia. Ariel Sharon himself gave the green light to Lebanese Christian Militia to enter the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila in west Beirut, which consequently resulted in the massacre, torture and rape of hundreds of unarmed civilians, mainly women and children.

And since he didn't know it would happen that way, I don't think he can be held responsible.

The Israeli Army was not only monitoring the camps and did nothing to stop the massacre, but as a matter of fact, they paved the path for Militias to enter the camps. They had their direct and clear orders from the Israeli Defence Ministry not to interfere and give free hands and assistance to the Lebanese Christian Militia.

That's because Israel thought it could trust the Lebanese Forces.

With the outbreak of news of massacre in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila, Israeli public was outraged and went on demonstration, and demanded the resignation of Ariel Sharon and an inquiry to the matter. Israeli Knesset took action and sat up a parliamentary committee to investigate Ariel Sharon’s involvement in this inhumane act of atrocity. As result of that inquiry, Ariel Sharon was found responsible for the actions of Lebanese Christian Militia, and consequently forced him to resign from his post as Defence Minister. But of course, as he is an Israeli and these crimes were not committed against Israeli nationals, he was never charged and never appeared in any court of justice in Israel.

Actually, he was found INDIRECTLY responsible, meaning that it was his job to make sure that this wouldn't happen and he didn't make sure enough. But this commission also ruled that he had not known the massacre would happen.

There is very few un-biased sources (Amnesty is a possible exception), just more or less biased.

I guess I'll just start reffering you to the Israeli foriegn ministry webpage.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by paiktis22
pssst Siro? how do you make your sig longer than 4 lines? If it's longer than 4 lines it says (at least to me) that it is forbiden - but then again I had a sig that was half a page once - is there a trick ?

It only counts "new" lines. ie, when you hit enter to start a new line it that counts a line for every time, but if you keep runing on the same paragraph it won't keep adding them up the "lines".

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by paiktis22
pssst Siro? how do you make your sig longer than 4 lines? If it's longer than 4 lines it says (at least to me) that it is forbiden - but then again I had a sig that was half a page once - is there a trick ?

It's not really longer.

It's just 3 lines.
One very long line.
(empty line)
One very long line.

I know, it's annoying.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
But first it might be necessary to take Sharon off the leadership.

Now there's a leader I find more frightening than Bush.

Let me suggest you to read an impartial historical review of the following men:

terrorist Yassir Arafat
tyrant Saddam Hussein
tyrant Nasser
tyrant Mubarak
tyrant Hafez el-Assad

and thier friends in Iran, Saudi Arabia and so on.

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Osweld


It only counts "new" lines. ie, when you hit enter to start a new line it that counts a line for every time, but if you keep runing on the same paragraph it won't keep adding them up the "lines".

See what I've told you?

Always patronizing and claiming moral high

[Bereta_Eder]

i hope i got my yiddish right

osweld, siro thanks petseleh